Is It Time To Make This Forum A Closed One??
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With that rather unseamly public display of affection out of the way here's my pennorth.
Please keep it open. We exes like to keep in touch, and sometimes (I hope) post the odd jewel of use to those still serving their sentences. Likewise we keep in touch eith current views and banter, (espec the crab bating) <img src="tongue.gif" border="0">
Probably the most important and influential thread so far in the forum (Brian Dixon's Chinook campaign) would have been grounded without it.
Introspective navel gazing for bitter crabs is not the way forward for this forum!
Please keep it open. We exes like to keep in touch, and sometimes (I hope) post the odd jewel of use to those still serving their sentences. Likewise we keep in touch eith current views and banter, (espec the crab bating) <img src="tongue.gif" border="0">
Probably the most important and influential thread so far in the forum (Brian Dixon's Chinook campaign) would have been grounded without it.
Introspective navel gazing for bitter crabs is not the way forward for this forum!
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Aww come on lads, keep it open!
In relation to you guys, I'd be flying a pram! Because of my thickness at 12 years of age, I am stuck in school for an extra two years! This is my only insight into what the forces are like over the water (and I hope to becone the first Irish Air Corps PPRuNer!) After a hard day of doing things I should have done a year ago, getting frustrated, PPRuNe is the only place I can go and not be told to "shut up, straighten that tie! wait another 10 seconds before the bell rings" etc. At 4 o clock, I am twitching with frustration and I PPRuNe to unwind and talk to like minded souls! The milly forum would be a great loss if it was to be closed to us "spotter" types! (to tell the truth, I've never actually gone spotting, unless airshows count...)
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In relation to you guys, I'd be flying a pram! Because of my thickness at 12 years of age, I am stuck in school for an extra two years! This is my only insight into what the forces are like over the water (and I hope to becone the first Irish Air Corps PPRuNer!) After a hard day of doing things I should have done a year ago, getting frustrated, PPRuNe is the only place I can go and not be told to "shut up, straighten that tie! wait another 10 seconds before the bell rings" etc. At 4 o clock, I am twitching with frustration and I PPRuNe to unwind and talk to like minded souls! The milly forum would be a great loss if it was to be closed to us "spotter" types! (to tell the truth, I've never actually gone spotting, unless airshows count...)
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As someone whose career has been shaped to a large degree by the RAF I like to keep current with what goes on. . .My father and uncle were both WW2 pilots, and the stories they told fired my imagination and by age 5 I was irrevocably destined to be a pilot.. .( My uncle was Coastal command on Beaufighters, shot down over North Sea in winter, picked up by U-Boat, transferred to POW camp in Germany. My father was an instructor at Cranwell, and then on Mosquito night intruders). .Naturally my father taught me to fly.. .So 50 or more years later, I am a grizzled veteran of 18,000 hours civilian flying who still yearns for the excitement of military flying, even if by proxy.. .Keep the forum open!
I think after six pages, and Gorilla is still the only one whom admits considering closing the forum, there can be somewhat of a consensus that it should remain open (although it is with arrogance that we assume any say in the matter!).
Six pages of "Keep it open" calls. How about we now close the thread?
Six pages of "Keep it open" calls. How about we now close the thread?
I'll be happy to close this particular thread, especially since it seems the "verdict" is overwhelmingly one-sided. If anyone wants further discussion on the topic, please feel free to start a new thread.
Many of you have made excellent points regarding why this should remain an Open Forum, and as far as I know, there are no plans to make it a Closed one.
On a side note, I would like to remind all contributors of the potential for a security breach. Sometimes, in the attempt to "show our knowledge" about a subject, there is a temptation to venture into areas which could constitute a violation of a country's Secrets Act (or equivalent). Many of you have been very helpful in the past in notifying PPRuNe Administrators of "problem" threads. Please continue to do so, and continue to use good judgment in your postings.
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Many of you have made excellent points regarding why this should remain an Open Forum, and as far as I know, there are no plans to make it a Closed one.
On a side note, I would like to remind all contributors of the potential for a security breach. Sometimes, in the attempt to "show our knowledge" about a subject, there is a temptation to venture into areas which could constitute a violation of a country's Secrets Act (or equivalent). Many of you have been very helpful in the past in notifying PPRuNe Administrators of "problem" threads. Please continue to do so, and continue to use good judgment in your postings.
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(Wiping tears of laughter away and dusting myself off after rolling about on the floor)
I have just 'discovered' this old thread and I can't believe how it evolved, just like a chinese whisper, from a discussion point by someone who felt the forum was becoming boring and not quite elitist enough into some kind of poll on whether it should remain open or closed to non 'military aviators'.
As in the Rumours & News forum, there will always be a minority of individuals who would prefer to hide their warts for fear of being branded human and not super human. They would like the rest of the non 'military aviator' community to think fo them as some special elite and that their craft should remain little more than a speculative kind of black magic.
As the majority have pointed out though, there would be a huge problem in identifying who would be eligible for this exclusive and elitist forum. Also, many of the contributors have assumed that it would only be open for Betty's Boys to be eligible. I seem to remember a letter in The Times a few years ago where someone was having a go at PPRuNe's successful military forum and suggested that the MoD open their own forum. I had my reply to the pompous silly old f@rt published and pointed out the reason this one was so successful was precisely because it was open to everyone.
Obviously, most of you have never had the misfortune to have a look in the private forums. Imagine a dusty old shanty town, tumbleweed rolling past you and a few bored old men rocking back and forth on their rocking chairs, not saying much and when they do you would rather poke yourself in the arm with a sharp stick as that would be more entertaining. THat is what the private forums are like. As soon as you close yourself into an insular group of 'serious' people who are trying to protect their image of super human abilities you end up with an inbred population who have no fresh blood and are about as evolutionary advanced as an amoeba!
You will always get people like Jackonocko trying to hijack the odd serious and even the not so serious threads with their biased and 'lefty luvvie' sentiments. Comments such as:
...do nothing to endear themselves to me. I don't mind him contributing though. He just goes to prove that it takes all sorts to make a forum successful, even if he accepts that quite a few of us think he is a to$$er! 
THis forum isn't going to change. It is the only one that isn't officially 'moderated'. I leave it to the ones who have learnt to trust us here at PPRuNe with the responsibility of listening to you when necessary and acting on the very rare occasions when someone tries to make out they are somehow superior by intimating that they know something that should remain secret to the masses. We deal with them as and when necessary. As for the other to$$ers, we have learnt that if you give them enough rope they will eventually do us all a favour and use it appropriately.
Mil Aircrew is just an area where topics that in some way are weighted to mil aircrew issues are discussed and is not exclusively for UK mil aircrew types, elitist or otherwise, to show off their superior abilities.
I know for a fact that there are Top Neddies from the UK who enjoy reading the banter as well as mil types from many other countries, not only english speaking ones, who enjoy reading some of the great threads that are on here.
I have just 'discovered' this old thread and I can't believe how it evolved, just like a chinese whisper, from a discussion point by someone who felt the forum was becoming boring and not quite elitist enough into some kind of poll on whether it should remain open or closed to non 'military aviators'.
As in the Rumours & News forum, there will always be a minority of individuals who would prefer to hide their warts for fear of being branded human and not super human. They would like the rest of the non 'military aviator' community to think fo them as some special elite and that their craft should remain little more than a speculative kind of black magic.
As the majority have pointed out though, there would be a huge problem in identifying who would be eligible for this exclusive and elitist forum. Also, many of the contributors have assumed that it would only be open for Betty's Boys to be eligible. I seem to remember a letter in The Times a few years ago where someone was having a go at PPRuNe's successful military forum and suggested that the MoD open their own forum. I had my reply to the pompous silly old f@rt published and pointed out the reason this one was so successful was precisely because it was open to everyone.
Obviously, most of you have never had the misfortune to have a look in the private forums. Imagine a dusty old shanty town, tumbleweed rolling past you and a few bored old men rocking back and forth on their rocking chairs, not saying much and when they do you would rather poke yourself in the arm with a sharp stick as that would be more entertaining. THat is what the private forums are like. As soon as you close yourself into an insular group of 'serious' people who are trying to protect their image of super human abilities you end up with an inbred population who have no fresh blood and are about as evolutionary advanced as an amoeba!
You will always get people like Jackonocko trying to hijack the odd serious and even the not so serious threads with their biased and 'lefty luvvie' sentiments. Comments such as:
And anyone who doesn't think I'm a useful contributor doesn't have to read it, though the less blinkered would do so and THEN decide that I'm a to$$er!
THis forum isn't going to change. It is the only one that isn't officially 'moderated'. I leave it to the ones who have learnt to trust us here at PPRuNe with the responsibility of listening to you when necessary and acting on the very rare occasions when someone tries to make out they are somehow superior by intimating that they know something that should remain secret to the masses. We deal with them as and when necessary. As for the other to$$ers, we have learnt that if you give them enough rope they will eventually do us all a favour and use it appropriately.
Mil Aircrew is just an area where topics that in some way are weighted to mil aircrew issues are discussed and is not exclusively for UK mil aircrew types, elitist or otherwise, to show off their superior abilities.
I know for a fact that there are Top Neddies from the UK who enjoy reading the banter as well as mil types from many other countries, not only english speaking ones, who enjoy reading some of the great threads that are on here.
Donny,
If I'm a 'lefty luvvie' it's only by comparison with the kind of lunatic right wingers who vote for the UKIP, or who view Tony Martin as some kind of folk hero, or who can use the word 'liberal' in a perjorative sense.
I'd have thought that you'd be a bit less grouchy at the mo, with Dubya back in the White House for another four years and with Arafat about to snuff it.
On a more serious note, the influx of wannabes and the sharp rise in whingeing, and perhaps the over moderation, has undeniably led to the loss of many of PPRuNe's most valued contributors. I haven't seen Smartman for a while, and I could list a whole bunch of former Pruners who seem to have given up.
If I'm a 'lefty luvvie' it's only by comparison with the kind of lunatic right wingers who vote for the UKIP, or who view Tony Martin as some kind of folk hero, or who can use the word 'liberal' in a perjorative sense.
I'd have thought that you'd be a bit less grouchy at the mo, with Dubya back in the White House for another four years and with Arafat about to snuff it.
On a more serious note, the influx of wannabes and the sharp rise in whingeing, and perhaps the over moderation, has undeniably led to the loss of many of PPRuNe's most valued contributors. I haven't seen Smartman for a while, and I could list a whole bunch of former Pruners who seem to have given up.
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Suggest that we should not worry too much about those we lose from this forum - happens in every voluntary activity - people move on.
What is important is that we allow every contributor the right to air their views and the more controversial they are the more likely the forum is to flourish. Hate it to be like the typical USAF debrief - a mutual admiration society! (happy if that is no longer the case because my knowledge is dated).
What is important is that we allow every contributor the right to air their views and the more controversial they are the more likely the forum is to flourish. Hate it to be like the typical USAF debrief - a mutual admiration society! (happy if that is no longer the case because my knowledge is dated).
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I am so glad that this thread has been re-opened after it got me in the sh*t, having suggested the UASs have a private forum. One of the many threads to land me in it, though never to quite the level of BEags
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Wow was it really 3 years ago I started this thread!!
I have to say in that time my own view has changed in that a lot of the bear baiters that were around then have obviously got fed up and moved on!!
That said, the whinging has dropped off a fair bit and I agree with you Jacko that a fair few of the regulars from 3 years ago are no longer around!! But as Soddim says that's life!!
I have to say in that time my own view has changed in that a lot of the bear baiters that were around then have obviously got fed up and moved on!!
That said, the whinging has dropped off a fair bit and I agree with you Jacko that a fair few of the regulars from 3 years ago are no longer around!! But as Soddim says that's life!!
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Well, now that we've sorted that one out I suggest a group hug (for Jackos sake ) and we all get on with looking after our interests.
Note the lack of reaction to the 'baiting' by Jacko. Now if only more posters were to ignore such type of baiting or fishing this website would be a doddle to moderate
) and we all get on with looking after our interests.Note the lack of reaction to the 'baiting' by Jacko. Now if only more posters were to ignore such type of baiting or fishing this website would be a doddle to moderate
Who is baiting who, here, Donny?
"You will always get people like Jackonocko trying to hijack the odd serious and even the not so serious threads with their biased and 'lefty luvvie' sentiments."
"I don't mind him contributing though. He just goes to prove that it takes all sorts to make a forum successful, even if he accepts that quite a few of us think he is a to$$er!"
Hmmm.
I doff my cap to a master baiter.
"You will always get people like Jackonocko trying to hijack the odd serious and even the not so serious threads with their biased and 'lefty luvvie' sentiments."
"I don't mind him contributing though. He just goes to prove that it takes all sorts to make a forum successful, even if he accepts that quite a few of us think he is a to$$er!"
Hmmm.
I doff my cap to a master baiter.