Wearing uniform in public
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outdoors/indoors
Let's just get this hat matter cleared up once and for all:
1. The RAF do not wear hats when indoors.
1. The RAF do not wear hats when indoors.
Para 0122 states "all personnel at home units should normally wear plain clothes when they are not required for duty". As that rule appears to be being relaxed, I think it is about time their airships (and lordships and pongoships) issued a directive as to what is or is not permissible in the current climate. Is there anyone on here with a direct line to someone with a few stars who may want to take it up?
Apologies if that caused you some angst
BEagle - No worries and certainly no angst, just a gentle tweak to remind you about the "big black war canoes" whose programmes don't allow for too many CTPs!
Jack
BEagle - No worries and certainly no angst, just a gentle tweak to remind you about the "big black war canoes" whose programmes don't allow for too many CTPs!
Jack
Beagle
Can I gently remind you that aviators on Her Majesties grey war canoes in the 60's and 70's also practised flinging Very High Explosive bombs around - when we weren't at a CTP, of course. Agree about the first target folder, though.
Can I gently remind you that aviators on Her Majesties grey war canoes in the 60's and 70's also practised flinging Very High Explosive bombs around - when we weren't at a CTP, of course. Agree about the first target folder, though.
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I seem to remember removing my hat in Church...
Seeing as I didn't work in Church, was I wrong Tankertrashnav?
I did wear uniform travelling to and from work, and occasionally stopped by a town centre shopping district. As I had not gotten home at that point, I remained in uniform, WITH hat. Only upon entering a building would the hat be removed, and replaced directly before leaving the building.
PlasticAF, why do you make a distinction between No2 and DP?
Uniform is uniform, and when in uniform outside, headress is to be worn. Or is it you don't think you look "cool" enough in blues with a beret?
Seeing as I didn't work in Church, was I wrong Tankertrashnav?
I did wear uniform travelling to and from work, and occasionally stopped by a town centre shopping district. As I had not gotten home at that point, I remained in uniform, WITH hat. Only upon entering a building would the hat be removed, and replaced directly before leaving the building.
PlasticAF, why do you make a distinction between No2 and DP?
Uniform is uniform, and when in uniform outside, headress is to be worn. Or is it you don't think you look "cool" enough in blues with a beret?
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Moosemaster - I could have continued on to para 0125 (j) of AP1358 "(Hats are not to worn) .. when attending a church service (female personnel excepted)". So you weren't wrong!
I wondered about that too 
PlasticAF, why do you make a distinction between No2 and DP?
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Tales of hats on in SHQ at Cranditz (which I seem to recall giving a good ignoring on my last visit) have reminded me of a similar tale of woe at a Secret Norfolk Airbase, however, this included hats not just in SHQ but any other place of work except your own.
To those of us posted to other, happier, places this seemed to point strongly to the Staish being a total
(as proved to be the case).
As a highly trained member of the Royal Air Force I consider myself at work 24/7, ready to defend the nation's skies at a moments notice. Therefore, Sainsburys, Tescos etc. are indeed my place of work and should a pair of Backfires pop up from behind the freezer section I'll be right on it.
To those of us posted to other, happier, places this seemed to point strongly to the Staish being a total
(as proved to be the case).As a highly trained member of the Royal Air Force I consider myself at work 24/7, ready to defend the nation's skies at a moments notice. Therefore, Sainsburys, Tescos etc. are indeed my place of work and should a pair of Backfires pop up from behind the freezer section I'll be right on it.
I seem to recall an RAFG Jag driver nearly made the Reichsbank Niederkruchten or somewhere his place of work by depositing his Anglo-French supersonic lawn dart in their car park, then phoning the Sqn Ops Desk for wheels for him and his parachute!
BlackadderIA - absolutely!
Union Jack - understood. Your 'toys' were indeed bigger...... MUCH bigger!!
BlackadderIA - absolutely!
Union Jack - understood. Your 'toys' were indeed bigger...... MUCH bigger!!
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If you are going to be abusive, have the guts to use your real name to post under, instead of pretending to be a probationer who mysteriously knows about Beagle!
By the way mods, do we allow terms such as "shirtlifter" and "poofter" on here. I'm an old git, but it all seems a bit 70's to me
If you are going to be abusive, have the guts to use your real name to post under, instead of pretending to be a probationer who mysteriously knows about Beagle!
By the way mods, do we allow terms such as "shirtlifter" and "poofter" on here. I'm an old git, but it all seems a bit 70's to me
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Listen up guys.
I have banned two people and deleted posts of two others as not acceptable.
What is also not acceptable is abuse, but then the good guys know that, as they do about allowable banter. However, we have one or two who who deserve a playpen complete with toys. Can't do that so they are gone.
I have banned two people and deleted posts of two others as not acceptable.
What is also not acceptable is abuse, but then the good guys know that, as they do about allowable banter. However, we have one or two who who deserve a playpen complete with toys. Can't do that so they are gone.
Well travelling in uniform seems to have its perks.
A week or two back, whilst on a train travelling 'up north' from London, 3 young army lads, dressed in desert DPM's (whatever they are nowadays called) were sat across the cariage from me. After chatting briefly with them, it turned out they were on route back home from Afghanistan.
Being a charitable chap, I bought them a beer each when the trolley came past. Then cue the table filling up with beer cans as almost all the passengers who wandered down to the buffet carriage dropped more and more full cans off at the lads table on their way back. Even the Customer Service Manager (the guard in old money) left half a dozen cans on their table.
By the time I got off the train at York, the lads were somewhat happy but nevertheless very well behaved and quiet. No doubt senior army officers would have frowned at the lads drinking in public in uniform, but the public sure appreciated the contribution and sacrifices made by personnel in HM Forces.
Peter
A week or two back, whilst on a train travelling 'up north' from London, 3 young army lads, dressed in desert DPM's (whatever they are nowadays called) were sat across the cariage from me. After chatting briefly with them, it turned out they were on route back home from Afghanistan.
Being a charitable chap, I bought them a beer each when the trolley came past. Then cue the table filling up with beer cans as almost all the passengers who wandered down to the buffet carriage dropped more and more full cans off at the lads table on their way back. Even the Customer Service Manager (the guard in old money) left half a dozen cans on their table.
By the time I got off the train at York, the lads were somewhat happy but nevertheless very well behaved and quiet. No doubt senior army officers would have frowned at the lads drinking in public in uniform, but the public sure appreciated the contribution and sacrifices made by personnel in HM Forces.
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Time may have embellished the story of course. Don't think he had his SD with him.
If one is required to carry a hat, the most convenient place to stick it is upon ones head
Until the Boss spotted it. No "Get a new hat, BEagle!" - he took the simpler expedient of feeding it to a mate's labrador...
After prising it from the beast's dripping jaws, I shoved it in my helmet bag again and forgot about it - I had another 'Parades, weddings and bollockings' hat - this then became my in-use hat. Unfortunately I left it behind one day when flying to Incirlik for a few weeks as DetCo and had to use the labrador-slobbered SD cap (with a large chunk out of the peak!) during the daily dash from wherever I'd parked the turbo-Sahin to the morning O-group...
Eventually even the in-use hat was a bit too tatty for anything other than 'normal duties' - so I bought a new 'best hat' for next to nothing from stores
.It was pressed into service a few months later whilst giving the AOC a somewhat sympathetic ear.....
Mind you, it cost a ridiculously small amount of dosh - less than £20 in 2002!!
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I said to my colleague - Fl*tt*n.
We went into the restaurant and sure enough, there was Fl*tt*n. Now he had absolutely no connection with the NATO AEW Force and had simply dropped in for lunch.
Now how many can claim an SD Hat that can be distinguised from thousands of there. At least no one would steal it.
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About six or seven years ago, I remember the Flt Lt who appeared to be visiting High Wycombe for the day...he had forgotten his hat and was discussing this with the gate guard, who was advising him to borrow one from somewhere or pop into stores rather than pass through the main gate hatless.
The brave fellow pressed on sans hat. Not sure what happened to him, fair game really!
I also remember my colleague of the same rank walking alongside me with jacket unzipped after lunch one afternoon (got to let the belly hang out I guess)....window of some random building opened with a b0ll0cking thrown out with it, much to my amusement....the random staff officer probably drifted back off to sleep afterwards...
The brave fellow pressed on sans hat. Not sure what happened to him, fair game really!
I also remember my colleague of the same rank walking alongside me with jacket unzipped after lunch one afternoon (got to let the belly hang out I guess)....window of some random building opened with a b0ll0cking thrown out with it, much to my amusement....the random staff officer probably drifted back off to sleep afterwards...
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Tanker and Moose
I don't wear my beret with No2's just DP. My WO would have a quiet chat with me
Tanker:
I should have read on from my post before answering you previously.
Sorry
I don't wear my beret with No2's just DP. My WO would have a quiet chat with me
Tanker:
I should have read on from my post before answering you previously.
Sorry
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OK, so we've established you don't wear beret with No2.
The question still stands however....
What makes it OK to NOT wear headdress with No2?
The question still stands however....
Why do you make a distinction between No2 and DP?
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When is it ok not to wear headdress?
QR 202 and AP 1358 para 0127 are quite specific.
Cue 'Typical air trafficker getting the rule book out' banter.
Cue 'Typical air trafficker getting the rule book out' banter.