Wearing uniform in public
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How many current sqn aircrew wear, or even own, a sqn tie? The last one I bought was in the 60s and I don't recall sqn ties being on offer since then.
The original one was such poor quality, it barely lasted 50 years
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ian, associations yes, as they also wear blazers and proper trousers. I expect the V-force reunion will have a fair sprinkling of sqn ties too.
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Would you be comfortable walking past a gang of hoodies
Pity they had chosen an off-duty copper and your correspondent as their targets for the night - they thought we were posh people who'd give up their wallets easily
Mother of the "victim" wanted us charged for hurting her son. The police Inspector offered to charge her for wasting his time
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Yeah, but which squadron? Shall I take them all and rotate them during the day?
They're nothing to be ashamed of.
At that event, they're to be proud of.
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V Force reunion - hats not compulsory!
Thanks for the extra advertising for the V Force reunion guys - you will all be welcome, tie or no tie. I'll be giving my 214 tie an outing Ian, but I may leave the panama at home. For those of you who still havent heard about it, all the gen is here V-Force Reunion
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"If you are going to wear your uniform in public, wear it properly.
If you find that too hard then get changed before you go round town.
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I would just like to say that I will wear it how I damn please, and whether or not I can be arsed to get changed will not be influenced one jot by a bunch of ex cold-warriors who had and have nothing to worry about other than clothing etiquette.
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"If you are going to wear your uniform in public, wear it properly.
If you find that too hard then get changed before you go round town.
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I would just like to say that I will wear it how I damn please, and whether or not I can be arsed to get changed will not be influenced one jot by a bunch of ex cold-warriors who had and have nothing to worry about other than clothing etiquette.
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S/L pilot from secret Wilts transport base,
shopping in Swindon Sainsburys in flying suit , no hat !!
what was worse was the fact he is perfectly fit and had the nerve to park in a disabled bay...
being totally gobsmacked i didnt find the words to berate this prize 1
PEN 1 S !!
next time i will...!!!
via the staish !!
foto evidence would hang him !!
i took pride in wearing my uniform, sadly some currnet serving types dont...
after all, your being paid to wear so i guess you can decide how to wear it !!
shopping in Swindon Sainsburys in flying suit , no hat !!
what was worse was the fact he is perfectly fit and had the nerve to park in a disabled bay...
being totally gobsmacked i didnt find the words to berate this prize 1
PEN 1 S !!
next time i will...!!!
via the staish !!
foto evidence would hang him !!
i took pride in wearing my uniform, sadly some currnet serving types dont...
after all, your being paid to wear so i guess you can decide how to wear it !!
I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
Broadening this uniform aspect.
Have you noticed that it is the same with the police?
It used be a ritual. Out of the car, don flat cap, square it up, 'hello Sir, do we know what speed the speed limit is Sir?'
Now you see them, no cap, stab vests almost down to their bellies, shirt hanging out etc etc?
So many people now wear uniforms in a casual manner that it is easy for the military to follow suit. Used to be a time that you would go out in best blues rather than working dress. But as mentioned earlier, we often could not afford to go out.
If you needed money you could cash a small cheque over the bar. Going to a bank was impossible as they were strictly 10-3 M-F and no ATMs.
Things have changed.
Have you noticed that it is the same with the police?
It used be a ritual. Out of the car, don flat cap, square it up, 'hello Sir, do we know what speed the speed limit is Sir?'
Now you see them, no cap, stab vests almost down to their bellies, shirt hanging out etc etc?
So many people now wear uniforms in a casual manner that it is easy for the military to follow suit. Used to be a time that you would go out in best blues rather than working dress. But as mentioned earlier, we often could not afford to go out.
If you needed money you could cash a small cheque over the bar. Going to a bank was impossible as they were strictly 10-3 M-F and no ATMs.
Things have changed.
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Interesting concept, hadn't realised that service personnel could now obey whichever regulations they damn well pleased. Must have missed that change.
Actually looking through the thread I dont think this is a generation thing, a lot of younger serving members seem to agree that standards should be maintained. I think its one of attitude. We had arrogant prats back in the Cold War days as well Tourist, they gave us something to worry about, because obviously, as you say, other than bulling our shoes and pressing our uniforms there was nothing else to do.
I would just like to say that I will wear it how I damn please, and whether or not I can be arsed to get changed will not be influenced one jot by a bunch of ex cold-warriors who had and have nothing to worry about other than clothing etiquette
Actually looking through the thread I dont think this is a generation thing, a lot of younger serving members seem to agree that standards should be maintained. I think its one of attitude. We had arrogant prats back in the Cold War days as well Tourist, they gave us something to worry about, because obviously, as you say, other than bulling our shoes and pressing our uniforms there was nothing else to do.
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cold-warriors who had and have nothing to worry about
This was on top of the pleasant home postings when Mutally Assured Destruction was the nomal way of life. Aircrew wondered if, when the balloon went up, they would have any bases and families to return to and the standard annual GDT training for squadron ground crew was; if the said ballon does go up, you 'see off' the A/C, put your head between your knees and kiss your *rse goodbye!
...ex cold-warriors who had and have nothing to worry about
Seeing your first war target folder for the first time was somewhat thought-concentrating. As was learning whether or not you were going to have anywhere to land after vapourising a few thousand of the enemy with Mr Hunting's finest 950lb HEMC weapon.
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"I think public attitude to wearing civvies in public will vary greatly from town to town. The poor old British serviceman can be greeted as a hero in the South West but find himself on the internet dressed in an orange boiler suit if he so much as polishes his shoes in somewhere like...say....ummmm.....Birmingham maybe??!! The security issues surrounding the 70's and 80's when the IRA couldnt wait to throw us all in bath's of acid may have gone (fingers crossed) but the threat remains VERY real and from an arguably more fanatical enemy"
As can be decoded from my name I'm attached to an ATC unit, in a city also beginning in B..... and the unit is very close to the local mosque! I wear the uniform, even when the wife has phoned me to ask I get more bread or milk from the supermarket. Usually on the way home. Wearing the hat? depends on the uniform. If No2's no I won't CS95 I will. Only had a problem once when lad on till (not anglo saxon) refused to serve me. I asked for duty manager who came advised lad to serve me and behave! Best was SHE wasn't anglo saxon either. Still shop there. I'm polite to people and haven't had a problem yet. Politeness not learnt at Cranwell but ex-pongo father and old fashioned teachers. Daughters learning the same attitude or else.
plasticaf
As can be decoded from my name I'm attached to an ATC unit, in a city also beginning in B..... and the unit is very close to the local mosque! I wear the uniform, even when the wife has phoned me to ask I get more bread or milk from the supermarket. Usually on the way home. Wearing the hat? depends on the uniform. If No2's no I won't CS95 I will. Only had a problem once when lad on till (not anglo saxon) refused to serve me. I asked for duty manager who came advised lad to serve me and behave! Best was SHE wasn't anglo saxon either. Still shop there. I'm polite to people and haven't had a problem yet. Politeness not learnt at Cranwell but ex-pongo father and old fashioned teachers. Daughters learning the same attitude or else.
plasticaf
BEagle,
Whilst tourist and his jolly jack tar boyfriends were bobbing up and down on the briny between crucial Caribbean flag-waving cockersP missions in their little grey war canoes, those who were ready to f**k off to the East with Aunty Bettie's buckets of sun certainly did take things seriously.
Seeing your first war target folder for the first time was somewhat thought-concentrating. As was learning whether or not you were going to have anywhere to land after vapourising a few thousand of the enemy with Mr Hunting's finest 950lb HEMC weapon.
Concur.
Centreline store on my jet.....
Whilst tourist and his jolly jack tar boyfriends were bobbing up and down on the briny between crucial Caribbean flag-waving cockersP missions in their little grey war canoes, those who were ready to f**k off to the East with Aunty Bettie's buckets of sun certainly did take things seriously.
Seeing your first war target folder for the first time was somewhat thought-concentrating. As was learning whether or not you were going to have anywhere to land after vapourising a few thousand of the enemy with Mr Hunting's finest 950lb HEMC weapon.
Concur.
Centreline store on my jet.....
As was learning whether or not you were going to have anywhere to land after vapourising a few thousand of the enemy with Mr Hunting's finest 950lb HEMC weapon.
Oh dear! I never realised that BEagle had such a small weapon compared with some of us .... but am quite impressed that he managed to turn a thread on wearing uniform in public into an inter-service willie waving contest!
Jack
Oh dear! I never realised that BEagle had such a small weapon compared with some of us .... but am quite impressed that he managed to turn a thread on wearing uniform in public into an inter-service willie waving contest!
Jack
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S/L pilot from secret Wilts transport base,
shopping in Swindon Sainsburys in flying suit , no hat !!
shopping in Swindon Sainsburys in flying suit , no hat !!
Let's just get this hat matter cleared up once and for all:
1. The RAF do not wear hats when indoors.
2. Supermarkets (and other shops) are buildings and have Roofs.
3. When inside a building with a roof you are indoors.
4. See point 1.
I occasionally stop at the Supermarket in uniform on the way home and I remove my hat as soon as I get inside (I wear it in the car park as that is outside). If any of you National Service types see me sans hat please feel free to tell me and I will politely remind you of point 1
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BlackadderIA, I disagree. At a very secret air base in Lincolnshire, OC AW decreed that hats were to be worn by visitors to SHQ. So, in comliance with his orders, as a visitor, I sat at one meeting with my SD hat perched atop my head until OC PMS, running the meeting, asked why, then, with a wry grin told me I could doff caps.
PN, refer OC Blunt Wing to BlackadderIA's point 1!
And Union Jack, I didn't feel that the Tou-wrister's snide comments about Cold Warriors should go unremarked. Apologies if that caused you some ansgt.
And Union Jack, I didn't feel that the Tou-wrister's snide comments about Cold Warriors should go unremarked. Apologies if that caused you some ansgt.