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Old 4th Aug 2022, 13:33
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I’m not sure a very ‘good’ read is entirely appropriate, however….

A Noble Anger. - David Hill

A painful assessment of the continuing corporate failings which led to the tragic death of Cpl Jon Baylis.

Not for the faint hearted.

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I’m not sure a very ‘good’ read is entirely appropriate, however….

A Noble Anger. - David Hill

A painful assessment of the continuing corporate failings which led to the tragic death of Cpl Jon Baylis.

Not for the faint hearted.
Just read it - heads should roll in MoD - another preventable death in service with a Service Inquiry and a Coroners Inquest failing to point the blame where it actually lies. (yes I know neither is there to apportion blame but when so much evidence is covered up or excluded, someone should be brought to account)

The bottom line? You get as much Flight Safety as you are prepared to pay for and the RAF has clearly run out of money....................
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Old 12th Aug 2022, 14:56
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Just finished Typhoon by Mike Sutton.
Could hardly put it down - Really interesting and no ego trips from someone who achieved a lot.
Just got a copy of Death of Hero which already looks like another good recommendation.
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Old 12th Aug 2022, 16:34
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Originally Posted by EngAl View Post
Just finished Typhoon by Mike Sutton.
Could hardly put it down - Really interesting and no ego trips from someone who achieved a lot.
EngAl, fully agree, I thoroughly enjoyed it and would recommend it wholeheartedly.
I've started Dave Montenegro's Red Arrows book. It starts off fairly well but I've got more annoyed as I go on. It's billed on the cover as "The Official Story of Britain's Iconic Display Team" and it shows that MoD PR are directing it and not letting a serving officer give his view. (Presumably that was less of an issue with Mike Sutton's book)
The team make up is repeatedly described as Enid and the rear section. All mention of Gypo has been wiped out - why, it relates to an early members nickname not those who recently tarmaced Cranwell's melted hardstanding.
Reference to Red 1 continually quotes "he or she" despite never having had a female in that position and won't for at least another 7 years based on how the process is described.
The final nail that almost made me throw it across the room is in describing Sean Cunningham's accident and stating it was MBA's failure to pass on information about tightening a nut and bolt which they finally admitted in 2018.
As a PR exercise it really highlights why David Hill's book is a far better read.
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Old 12th Aug 2022, 17:39
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The final nail that almost made me throw it across the room is in describing Sean Cunningham's accident and stating it was MBA's failure to pass on information about tightening a nut and bolt which they finally admitted in 2018.
I wonder this is the MOD PR machine putting words in his mouth? Only a complete moron would believe this after reading and watching the evidence. If you want the truth, buy "Red 5".
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Old 12th Aug 2022, 23:23
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Just read it - heads should roll in MoD - another preventable death in service with a Service Inquiry and a Coroners Inquest failing to point the blame where it actually lies. (yes I know neither is there to apportion blame but when so much evidence is covered up or excluded, someone should be brought to account)

The bottom line? You get as much Flight Safety as you are prepared to pay for and the RAF has clearly run out of money....................
I'm not sure current lack of money is the culprit, though the more there is of it the better of course. The causal theme running through all of David Hill's books is the cover up of the fatal damage done to UK Military Air Safety in the late eighties/early nineties by certain RAF VSOs looking for a short term financial saving. What they managed to achieve was long term damage to UK Military Air Safety. Airworthiness is a delicate plant that must be carefully nurtured with the constant attention of professionally trained and experienced engineers. To ensure that the money it would normally take to enable that could be siphoned off to pay for their follies, those VSOs made certain that those same engineers were replaced by untrained and inexperienced apparatchiks, and just to make sure that they remained untrained and inexperienced the Regulations were pulped. This madness was the beginning of the cover up and succeeding generations of the Star Chamber have kept it going rather than come clean. The resultant airworthiness related fatal air accidents have been recorded in the many accident threads appearing in this forum and of course David Hill's books.

We have a classic chicken and egg situation here. The reform needed can only come about if UK Military Air Regulation and Accident Investigation are made independent of the MOD and of each other, but as long as the MOD controls them the cover-up will continue. It needs leadership to break that log jam and make reform possible. Meanwhile the canker that killed Jon Bayliss will go on killing. Perhaps even more alarmingly it is infecting every fleet, new and old, for lack of the professional TLC that airworthiness requires. One day the RAF and FAA will again have to confront another Air Power for Supremacy of the Sky. Unless reform is enabled they will do so with one arm tied behind their back. If that all sounds rather hysterical then read David Hill's books and decide for yourself. I commend them all, the latest being A Noble Anger, and can be found in Kindle or Paperback versions down a South American river a mere click away.

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Old 13th Aug 2022, 21:32
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Originally Posted by EngAl View Post
Just finished Typhoon by Mike Sutton.
Could hardly put it down - Really interesting and no ego trips from someone who achieved a lot.
Just got a copy of Death of Hero which already looks like another good recommendation.
Death of a Hero is a cracking read.......my neighbour came across R.N. several times whilst he was serving in N.I. Fascinating!!
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I enjoyed Typhoon but two parts baffled me. When taxying out for the type's combat debut, the author suddenly realises the map of the target hasn't been loaded. Would you not check that before starting the engines? Also, when one of the Tornadoes goes tech and the crew taxi back for the spare, wasn't that the perfect moment to taxi back and load the maps? Instead, he sits there at idle for 20 minutes, burning into his reserve fuel. At the very least, why not simply turn the engines off until the spare Tornado appears? NOTE this is not a criticism, there may be perfectly valid answers and I just don't know them.
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TYPHOON. Mike Sutton

I just finished TYPHOON by Mike Sutton.

Spoiler alert : By a country mile it is the best aviation book of the year and will be acclaimed as one of the best pilot autobiographical works of all time.

Don’t take my word for it, go buy a copy, read it and learn what really makes a ground attack fighter pilot tick. It is brilliant, cleverly written and expertly edited. Enjoy…
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Originally Posted by mike rondot View Post
I just finished TYPHOON by Mike Sutton.

Spoiler alert : By a country mile it is the best aviation book of the year and will be acclaimed as one of the best pilot autobiographical works of all time.

Don’t take my word for it, go buy a copy, read it and learn what really makes a ground attack fighter pilot tick. It is brilliant, cleverly written and expertly edited. Enjoy…
I just finished it as well and it definitely was a good read.
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Killing Rommel by Steven Pressfield.

The true story of a Long Range Dessert Group patrol whose aim was to find and kill Rommel in the North African wastelands. Amazing story of the most incredible hardships overcome and vicious battles fought before they (spoiler alert!) actually catch up with him. The meeting is not quite what any of the participants anticipated!

Wonderfully written by a man who became a literary agent after the war, it paints the picture of the danger and chaos experienced by these men in vivid detail. Also depicted is the fierce loyalty forged between men by violent action. A real page-turner with more than a whiff of cordite to make the eyes smart.

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Killing Rommel by Steven Pressfield.

The true story of a Long Range Dessert Group patrol whose aim was to find and kill Rommel in the North African wastelands. Amazing story of the most incredible hardships overcome and vicious battles fought before they (spoiler alert!) actually catch up with him. The meeting is not quite what any of the participants anticipated!

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Absolutely agree - a cracking read Mogwi although it is classified as a novel - so perhaps a work of fiction based on true LRDG experiences ??

For anybody interested in the LRDG/desert warfare (although Dessert sounds tastier ) I would also recommend...

Lost in Libya – In Search of the Long Range Desert Group (2009)

https://vimeo.com/ondemand/36199

A very nicely made docu by Brendan O'Carroll about the hunt for 3 LRDG Chevvy Trucks abandoned at Gebel Sherif in Libya (1941),including commentary from some NZ LRDG vets and some unique 8mm movie footage of the LRDG at work by 'Wink' Adams (LRDG Trooper)
Link to trailer above - it is available to download from vimeo for a small fee ,it is HD quality and quite a large filesize (11.9 gigs) - took approx an hour to download onto my decrepit old PC

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