C17 Gear Up Landing Bagram

[KPax]

Without prejudging any investigation, I find it hard to believe that a multi crew ac can land these days with it's gear up, unless there was a severe malfunction.
Damaged C-17 moved off Bagram runway - Air Force News, news from Iraq - Air Force Times

[scarecrow450]

Read somewhere that the gear was only partially down

[ix_touring]

From the end of th enews item:

The last large Air Force jet to make a gear-up landing was a B-1B Lancer in May 2006. An investigation determined that the four-man aircrew forgot to lower the gear before touching down on a runway at Diego Garcia, an Indian Ocean island.
The investigation found that the pilots hadn't completed a mandatory landing checklist and overlooked a host of warning lights intended to remind them that the bomber's landing gear hadn't been lowered. An audio alarm that would have advised the pilots to lower the gear had been turned off a few minutes before they landed the plane.

So one can quite easily land without lowering the gear, IF you ignore procedures and disable alarms etc.

ix

[Logistics Loader]

Incoming !!

Blame the Effing Movers again !!

[bong-bing]

In response to last -

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM no i won't

Accidents/human error happen, can we, in a flight safety culture constantly judge so often?

apologise, I bit, its the weekend here.

[Logistics Loader]

justification for a 4 man front end then !!!!!

i flew left hand seat in Puma...qualified glider pilot but a/c capt said he woul appreciate any calls i gave...

sideline...

anyone looked at the fred perry shirt advert on right handside of the link...

gucci polo shirt...
in white
with flying wings
and Medal Ribbons embroidered !!

only the Americans !!

PRICELESS !!

[brickhistory]

err, seen the line of RAF-sanctioned clothing for sale to the public?

[Earl]

From the picture looks like a Charleston AFB SC bird.
Yellow stripe on the tail and the blue patch with the state tree.
Sure is backing up the cargo flights into there with everyone else.
Shxt happens!

[fallmonk]

Hope for the crew sake it was a technical error ,
If not some one is going to get there arse kicked !
But as mentioned in the report IF there is a known error they tend to divert to a "friendly" air base with better facilitys ! (Turkey/saudi) ?????

[OmegaV6]

Not casting stones or speculating .... but I find it a tad strange that they can just jack it up (ok with some difficulty) and the lower the gear apparently quite easily ... before towing it away .....

......the recovery crew managed to lift the aircraft high enough to extend its wheels ......

even allowing for jounalistic inaccuracies ........

[sumps]

Hope for the crew sake it was a technical error ,
If not some one is going to get there arse kicked !

...and in defence of the tech's...i hope it was the crews fault or a design fault...etc

[Old Fella]

C17 Gear Up Landing

I know this is a RUMOUR facility, but how about we wait for the REAL story to come out. Maybe the crew did simply omit to lower the gear. If they did, no excuse. In any event, just wish the 'bean counters' had not convinced the customers that there is no longer a place in the cockpit for a F/E. We did and still do contribute on those aircraft with a crew position for us.

[rolandpull]

So how many aircrew does it take to put the wheels down? I can make a guess for changing a light bulb.......

[JEM60]

When aircraft land wheels up accidently, are not the guys in the tower partly culpable??? Have to say that if I saw a B1B on finals gear up, and I was in the tower I'd probably draw somebody's attention to it? Is it not mandatory these days for a tower guy to observe landing aircraft? or did that only happen in films?

[Cap'n Bunghole]

In Oz it is mandatory for the (military) tower controller to ask all aircraft to check wheels as part of their landing clearance. Many RAAF aircraft have a beeper fitted which pilots must press after readback of "3 greens".

Is this procedure used anywhere else?

May or may not have saved the day in this case but it has been a long while since a RAAF aircraft has landed wheels up unintentionally.

[ORAC]

In Oz it is mandatory for the (military) tower controller to ask all aircraft to check wheels as part of their landing clearance. Many RAAF aircraft have a beeper fitted which pilots must press after readback of "3 greens".

Is this procedure used anywhere else?

Probably a hold-over from the Mirage IIIO. The French build this into their aircraft so the beep sounds on the radio when the gear is down - no pilot button push involved I think.

[charliegolf]

Didn't the Alpha Jet transmit a beep on the currently selected frequency when the gear locked?

I'm sure ShyTorque told me that, so it must be true!

CG

[The Real Slim Shady]

The JP3 and 5 did the same: a series of 3 tones at the end of the transmission if the gear was down and locked.

[14greens]

interesting the initial report suggests the land gear warning had been silenced earlier
other types out there! older i must say, have a system where with land flap set the warning horn cannot be cancelled unless you pull the cb!
DDM MMEL also does not allow dispatch with warn horn u/s,

did have a a discussion on the flight deck of a jet out in theatre where due to other sytems being disabled for EMCON reasons, it was suggested that Land gear warn horn cb should be pulled to prevent "nuisance" warnings when throttles retarded during level changes on the towline

educated the capt in reason why I was not happy and suggested the odd Nuisance warning worth it rather than the embaressment of gear up landing later
CB stayed set

[Fareastdriver]

Way back the Vampire T11 had a light in the nose that came on when the U/C was down, the absence of which would initiate a barrage of red flares from the runway caravan.

It used to get quite heavy at times.

(All three of mine were bulb failures, honest.)