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Old 19th Sep 2008, 07:53
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Once upon a time I thought I knew what I was talking about, now I'm not too sure.

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Old 19th Sep 2008, 08:02
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Not forgetting that signwriters, engravers (& picture framers) etc have artistic licence

So you're all wrong, (AIDU's photos are correct)

Warrant Officers and Sergeants Mess
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So what? we all know what it means.
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Old 19th Sep 2008, 10:23
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Those are Messes?

Look more like Holiday Inns and Toby Carverys!
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Old 19th Sep 2008, 10:37
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Thread drift, perhaps we could have a photo quiz of Mess's past and present and try and guess their location! We could have a new forum for Mess Spotters!

Starter for 10!

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As the the one responsible for the WO posts, following their omission from my "leadership tree", I feel I must try to make amends. Yes, of course they should be featured, but where? I suspect they would suggest at or near the very top! I am minded of the ritual humiliation of some unfortunate on a Cadet Wing Parade at Sleaford Tech by the SWOman;
"Flight Sergeant, Flight Sergeant? Sir! You call me Sir! I call you Sir, you call me Sir, the only difference is you mean it!"
all this at increasing tempo and volume, perfectly enunciated and clearly heard three squadrons down the parade.
Perhaps my omission was psychic, for IIRC the last thread concerning WOs featured a tirade aimed at Coalition ORs that fail to salute Commissioned US WOs (yes I know, but try telling him that) You will notice that I do not spell out what WO stands for, for that is when the Kraken awakes, and then be afraid, be very afraid! May I counsel dropping this subject right now before the worst happens? Better still some kind soul might care to answer the OP's question. Personally I haven't a clue!
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Old 19th Sep 2008, 13:41
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Warrant Officers and Sergeants Mess
I can't believe I'm doing this, but no. Still not correct:

Warrant Officers' and Sergeants' Mess
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Old 19th Sep 2008, 14:16
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Which is why I presented the fudge solution

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Old 19th Sep 2008, 14:28
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Dengue Dude:

The RAF have more Flag Officers than aircraft?
Err, no.

The RAF has no Flag Officers. We have Air Officers, but even then we have more aircraft than that.
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Old 19th Sep 2008, 19:43
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Ah the joys of the apostrophe. I'm with tigger too (up to a point). Warrant Officers (plural); their Mess, therefore Warrant Officers'. Senior Non-Commissioned Officers (also plural); also their Mess, therefore Senior Non-Commissioned Officers', which may be abbreviated to SNCOs'.

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Old 19th Sep 2008, 19:56
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Octavian quite right.

SNCOs - plural of SNCO is wrong
SNCOs' - possessive several SNCO is correct
SNCO's - possessive of a single SNCO is correct
SNCO's - plural of SNCO is wrong

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Old 19th Sep 2008, 19:56
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Octavian and Its not Quite Right

You are both correct; it is WOs' and SNCOs' Mess.

If it were WO's and SNCO's Mess that would indicate just one of each................that may be the future, but not just now.

I will put my ISS past behind me and my red pen away.
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Old 19th Sep 2008, 19:58
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phew, I think we agree
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Old 19th Sep 2008, 21:58
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Aaaanyway...back on topic...

The RAF doesn't have any 'leadership' nowadays that I'm aware of. It has 'management'...and 'conferences'... and 'steering groups'... and 'audit trails'... and 'end-to-end processes'...
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Old 20th Sep 2008, 12:36
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So going back to my original question, who is the CDS's boss?
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The Defence Secretary
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Old 20th Sep 2008, 15:17
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Noted about Marham, but that pic reminds me of Henlow ????

And' as' for' the' fekking' grammar

PN: Not an ISS tutor per chance ? Perhaps you should be as that is the only clear reply I have seen on said topic.















Now I'm getting involved too

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Old 20th Sep 2008, 17:00
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Thanks XXPLOD.
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Old 20th Sep 2008, 17:26
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C130J, no I had a life after death but I got an A- at the time
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