RAF Leadership
 

Can someone please confirm or correct me with my observation that the RAF leadership tree looks like this?

Sec of State for Defence - Des Browne MP
-> Minister of State for Armed Forces - Bob Ainsworth MP
-->Chief of the Defence Staff - ACM Sir Jock Stirrup
--->Chief of the Air Staff - ACM Sir Glenn Torphy
---->C in C Air Command - ACM Sir Clive Loader
----->DCinC Ops - AM Iain McNoll
------>AOC 1Gp/AOC 2Gp/AOC 22Gp

The RAF has Leadership?


Our battles are directed???

The RAF leadership tree looks more like:
Station Commander
Wing Commanders
Squadron/Unit Commanders
Flight Commanders
SNCOs
NCOs
Above the top of this tree there merely extends a bureaucracy with management levels often misleadingly titled as Commanders, Commanders in Chief, etc

"Our battles are directed??? "

Only if defending Typhoon numbers against the other services........

Isn't PUS/2nd PUS in that loop somewhere?

Well there is a new word Leadership , something the military has yet to discover.

Just think of a triangle but place it upside down , too many saying we should do this and that but too little to actually do it .

Sooner this gets looked at then things can start to recover

And the WOs?????????:=

Surely WO's come under the same band as SNCO's??

Oops.

I think you said that out loud.

Aaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggggghhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!:=:=

My office - tomorrow - 0800 - a hat will not be required:}

Wow! - I didn't know the "Peter Principle" went so far up the chain

Good luck to all who remain.

Thanks for the answers so far, I guess my question is focused on the government to military chain of command?

Oh sorry is a WO officer not the most senior of the Senior Non Comissioned Officers???

My appologies.... I'll wear my hat though... I like to keep it on!! ;)

It actually looks like this:

4* 3
3* 6
2* 25
1* 96
Gp Capt 310
Wg Cdr 1190
Sqn Ldr 2620
Flt Lt 4130
FO/PO 1180

(as at 1 Jul 08)

The only real question I have is, where do we manage to employ 96 Air Cdres?

Or put another way
 

The RAF have more Flag Officers than aircraft?

Hmmmm

A WO holds the Queens Warrant. The sign outside most Seniors Messes is also a clue, "Warrant Officers & Senior Non-Commissioned Officers Mess"

And they are both incorrect. They should read:
'WO's & SNCO's Mess' - This method then makes recognition of Flight Sergeants and Chief Technicians as well as Sergeants.

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The only real question I have is, where do we manage to employ 96 Air Cdres?

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Doing jobs what were once that of Wing Commanders and Group Captains. (Being official spies in other people's countries (AKA Air Attaches) and Commanding RAF Stations).

Is the not still the Air Force Board somewhere in the picture (for day to day policy matters at least).

We obviously need one Air Commodore per Typhoon!

Pingdit

Close but not close enough, you might be right one day but not just yet. They should read:

WOs' and SNCOs' Mess

Pingdit is more correct.

The abbrevation of a plural is not shown so that Warrant Officer and Warrant Officers is WO and the possessive for either is thus WO's.

However I believe it would also be correct to say Warrant Officers's Mess. :)

However many pedants would avoid this by eloquent variation and say Mess or Messes for Warrant Officers.