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RAAF Flight Screening Programme

Old 13th Oct 2011, 07:28
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YSRI,
Check this link for remaining ADFA FSP courses this year- http://www.airforce.gov.au/psa/docs/schedule2011.pdf Is this what your after?

Not sure what you mean by relist? Have you done FSP before?

Females are treated the same as guys on Flight Screening I assume, I had no girls on my course so I can't be the definitive answer on this but you are all there for the same reason so there would be no differences I expect.

Hope this helps
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Old 16th Oct 2011, 12:37
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@BenMurphy

yeah that's exactly what was on the test when I sat it last week,
but I failed the instrument reading test only got half way through the test feel even worse considering she said I did good/above average for all the other tests...
the tester didn't even tell me when time was nearly up so I had no idea until the test was over...

but from reading this forum alot of people have failed that test so I advise you to work as quickly as possible and set about 10 seconds per question to get the full 60 done in 9 minutes, and for one of the other harder tests the problem solving one with speed, distance and time ill give you an example of one of the harder questions on that test you should expect to see...

A plane is 1000km from an airbase travelling towards it at 300kph one hour later an interceptor from the airbase is launched travelling towards the plane at 400kph how far from the airbase do they meet.

i recommend you study up your division skills because you can't use a calculator

oh and for the spatial memory test I recommend practising the test
- Cambridge Brain Sciences
almost the same as the test they have except on their test you have to follow the boxes lagging 0 1 2 boxes behind I got up to 6 boxes lagging but couldn't get past 6...
for the test above I got 7 on my first try
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Old 17th Oct 2011, 11:42
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400Ks away
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Old 21st Oct 2011, 21:35
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What an amazing feeling. I just opened my ' Thank you for applying for a position within the ADF. We appreciate the spirit which prompted your offer but your vision sucks balls' letter.

EDIT: is the PRK/LASEK a permanent solution i.e. once done, does your eye sight start deteriorating again or is it fixed for life regardless on how its used / taken care of viz. long hours on the computer, reading etc.

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Old 22nd Oct 2011, 04:41
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Hey guys,
I recently (two days ago) got the call up from FSP and am leaving for the 12th. I am aiming to join the Navy as a Seahawk pilot. I was just wondering, for the OSB, will they just be testing on my main preference as a navy pilot or all of the 3 that I had to select when first applying? If anyone could help out it would be greatly appreciated.
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Old 22nd Oct 2011, 07:16
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You may get questions on all three. I didn't rate the ARA as a preference but still was asked about it.

One of the first questions they'll ask will be your preference for each service, regardless of your preferences going through DFR. You can pick each service as a 5 (most preferential) if you'll accept an offer from any.
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Old 22nd Oct 2011, 13:03
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Cheers, i am so excited it should be amazing. I would assume that the questions are a lot harder then that of the assessment day? Or are they around about the same just a little bit more intense?
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Old 23rd Oct 2011, 04:32
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Read the thread. Everything that can help you is in here.
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Old 25th Oct 2011, 10:13
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Septerra,

I know what it is like to receive one of those disheartening letters, however, I appealed my disqualifying medical condition and was successful after many months seeing specialists and a long wait. I am sure there are avenues you can explore to overcome this hurdle although my knowledge of eyesight standards is limited. As my appeal has just been approved I will be sitting my third assessment day prior to my file being sent to flight screening so fingers crossed. As such I am surprised they conduct the opthalmology test, which I would consider to be a critical test, after flight screening? (or have I misinterpreted your case). This now has me worried, and even though I do not wear glasses my sight is not 6/6... I understand you do not need 6/6 vision for aircrew and I have not found too much on this forum regarding vision standards which is recent. If anyone can shed light on eyesight standards and their experiences it would be greatly appreciated.

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Old 28th Oct 2011, 04:03
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is the PRK/LASEK a permanent solution i.e. once done, does your eye sight start deteriorating again or is it fixed for life regardless on how its used / taken care of viz. long hours on the computer, reading etc.
Hey Sep,
Thats sucks mate, sorry to hear. Uhhhh ok, bare in mind I'm no expert and you're best seeing someone but as far as I know from my experience: Generally, if your vision is stable when you get it (which it has to be) it SHOULD stay as corrected until you get older (40's) and then it naturally starts to deteriorate, like it does with everyone. That however may not always be the case. You do hear of people having touch ups or switching back to glasses/contacts. Also, some people may deteriorate younger etc. Think of it as a permanent set of glasses fried onto your eye...just like with glasses you get at age 20, they may not work at 30. Case by case. It does tend to last longer than glasses though and I'm pretty sure you should continue to look after your eyes as normal (reduce strain with less computer time etc.).
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Old 28th Oct 2011, 09:18
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Originally Posted by septerra View Post
What an amazing feeling. I just opened my ' Thank you for applying for a position within the ADF. We appreciate the spirit which prompted your offer but your vision sucks balls' letter.
Sep, that must be heartbreaking mate. What are your plans from here?

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Old 31st Oct 2011, 01:11
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Ether,

Are the mathematics units you've completed at Uni equivalent to say, Maths B or Maths C (QLD senior high school maths subjects)? I never completed senior high school mathematics however I've finished up to second year university level maths and first year university physics and I haven't met with any problems.

However it would probably be best to call DFR and discuss with them.
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Old 31st Oct 2011, 02:27
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Hi all,

I just finished up at FSP and am happy to say I received a recommendation. Now I just have to hope for an offer to come through and hopefully I'll be down at OTS soon. It was certainly full on but was a fun 2 weeks with a great bunch of guys.

Also bumped in to a couple of other ppruners who have contributed to this forum and are now at BFTS.

The only advice I can give for FSP is to work hard, have fun and be yourself!

By the way, the orange flight suits have been retired! They're now a tan/sand colour.

Cheers.
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Old 31st Oct 2011, 07:46
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ant1984,
well done mate. How'd the rest of your course go?

PSA give you any indication of when offers are coming out for the 3 services?

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Old 31st Oct 2011, 21:37
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cj0203,
We had 5 out of our course receive a recommendation, which was about on par with the course before us.

As far as distribution dates, we were told the next distribution was going to be some time in November. So fingers crossed!!

Cheers.
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Old 3rd Nov 2011, 13:18
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G'day all,

Figured this would be the best place to ask some ADF entry questions, obviously lots of people on here have been there and done that. I'm currently studying bridging courses in maths b and physics, as I studied neither at high school. I'm a CPL(H) licensed pilot who has finally decided that I should take the plunge, do these courses, and apply to the ADF as a pilot - as I had always wanted. My preferences would be; Army rotary pilot, Navy rotary pilot, then RAAF pilot.

Obviously the entry testing is heavily maths based, but I'm wondering how amazing you need to be at maths to get through this testing successfully? My coordination, and aptitude in other areas would be above average for sure, but my maths has never been my strongest point. Basically, I am wondering if you need be a natural born mathematician to have a decent chance of getting to the FSP? From what I've read the testing is more "quick maths", not finding definite integrals and the like... I've seen the programs run by differing companies aimed at preparing you for the testing, but it's difficult to see if these are a sham, or truly useful - any advice from anyone who has been enrolled in any of them would be great! The only other thing I wonder about is how important my high school marks/marks from the courses I'm currently enrolled in are? In that I'm wondering if the previous marks are treated as a prerequisite, and the ADF's testing is what makes all the difference, or whether it all forms part of how competitive I could be.

I have chatted to some of the DFR staff about other questions, but this stuff seems like it might be better answered by people who've actually undergone the testing recently. Would really appreciate any advice.

Cheers,

Tk
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Old 8th Nov 2011, 05:29
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Hi Tk,

Wall of text incoming.

I did my YOU and specialised testing just a little while ago, so this should be pretty up to date. I'm no maths whiz, and I've been out of high school for more then 5 years with no sort of maths study/use in-between, and I got through. So no, you don't need to be some kind of maths whiz.

For the specialised testing, the math involved was either fast mental maths, or somewhat more involved physics style questions. They certainly won't be asking you any calculus questions. Maybe I got lucky, but I decided to give the courses a miss, and just focused on re-learning my times-tables (!) and used some of the various resources on aviation style physics questions in this thread to prepare. That seemed to get me through ok.

That said, while I passed, my results were not great (valid for one year), so to make yourself more competitive you may want to study up on that maths. I found the physics style questions especially hard.

As for your question on the importance high-school results and your current results... Honestly, who knows what the recruiters think? All you can do is do your best in your current maths courses, and go for it. Personally I think wondering about how competitive your results will make you is a waste of time, and if you're truly committed then just do your best, and don't get put off by any set-backs. I guess that's somewhat cliche, but I think that's how it is.

Good luck!
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Old 8th Nov 2011, 08:22
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Thanks for that informative reply mate! Appreciate your constructing that wall ha.

I'm hoping my physics should be okay as I'm currently studying an intensive course in that! As for the maths side of things I suppose I will have to do as much practice as I can of similar tests and hope for the best. Guess I can only try my best - and then try again repeatedly until they won't let me through the doors

In relation to the actual testing format, I was under the impression that at the YOU session I would be sitting the general aptitude test, and then the second officer aptitude test - then assuming I was to pass both I would be able to book in a date for the pilot testing. That being more specialised aptitude tests, the hand eye co-ord test, interview, and essay. From there to the FSP assuming results and medicals are all good. I've recently been told that's incorrect though, and that the only thing done at the YOU session is the general ADF aptitude test... If anyone could confirm or deny that it would be most helpful!

Cheers,

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Old 9th Nov 2011, 04:44
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Hey guys,

This is pretty tangential compared to what the current discussion topic is - but has anyone tried to email Dr. Holding recently? I just sent an e-mail inquiring about the ADF Pilot Aptitude Prep courses as well as the Aero Maths course and got an error almost immediately and not sure if this is something on my end or his. Does anyone know what's going on?

EDIT: Disregard above, all is well.

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Old 9th Nov 2011, 11:31
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The current format of recruiting as I know it is as follows:

Phase one: YOU
General aptitude test
Maths test - up to yr 10
ADFA officer entry test - this is only for people going for ADFA, and tests you on yr 12 math

Phase two: specialised aptitude
Instrument test
spatial skills tests
maths tests
hand-eye co-ord

Phase 3: Assessment day
Medical interview
Psych interview
Recruiter interview
Essay writing

Phase 4: FSP+OSB
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