RAAF Flight Screening Programme
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From: Melbourne
Congrats to those selected to go to FSP, it’s an achievement within itself.
For any of you have recently done specialist pilot testing, is the essay involved in this testing or assessment day.
Thanks in regards for an help
Lacho
For any of you have recently done specialist pilot testing, is the essay involved in this testing or assessment day.
Thanks in regards for an help
Lacho
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From: Adelaide
Yep me too - was the first thing we had to do on Assessment Day. Make sure you have good reasons and answers to the obvious questions they will ask you - will help to set out the important points you want to get across so your essay has some structure and you don't forget anything - this will help for your interview as well. Good luck with it all!
Jimmy
Jimmy
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From: UNSW, Sydney
Lacho,
This thread contains a lot of good information on what to expect at both specialist testing and Assessment day so make sure to give it a thorough read through. As for the essays, I am under the impression they are utilised by the ADF to assess your ability to communicate effectively. Adding to what Jimmy recard said, it would certainly be a good idea to think about your personal motivation, expectations and qualities for the officer role prior to heading in as time will certainly be of the essence. However, equally as important in written communication is structure (you don't want to be jumping all over the place) and especially, spelling and grammar. Effective communication is a pivotal part of the officer role so expect your language to be heavily scrutinised. If you're looking for some feedback I'd suggest writing some mini-essays and getting your English teacher to have a look at them.
Good luck!
Kyll
This thread contains a lot of good information on what to expect at both specialist testing and Assessment day so make sure to give it a thorough read through. As for the essays, I am under the impression they are utilised by the ADF to assess your ability to communicate effectively. Adding to what Jimmy recard said, it would certainly be a good idea to think about your personal motivation, expectations and qualities for the officer role prior to heading in as time will certainly be of the essence. However, equally as important in written communication is structure (you don't want to be jumping all over the place) and especially, spelling and grammar. Effective communication is a pivotal part of the officer role so expect your language to be heavily scrutinised. If you're looking for some feedback I'd suggest writing some mini-essays and getting your English teacher to have a look at them.
Good luck!
Kyll
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From: Tasmania
On behalf of myself and all the other Tasmanian applicants who had the chance, I'd like to thank the boys from the Roulettes and the boys and girls from the 34 Squadron Challenger who played host to us after the Battle of Britain display in Hobart last weekend. (Not to mention a big thank you to the girls in recruiting for arranging the get together.)
Not having any airbases in the state can make it hard getting face to face time with serving pilots.
I'm sure my fellow applicants found it as useful and interesting as I did.
Doc.
Not having any airbases in the state can make it hard getting face to face time with serving pilots.
I'm sure my fellow applicants found it as useful and interesting as I did.
Doc.
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From: aus
Hi everyone,
I have my assessment day coming up and I have been thinking over one issue. What would be there view on underage drinking?
I understand they would be against it but honestly, in my opinion, I think you would be hard pressed to find many year 11/12 aged kids that hadn't at least done it once or twice. I fall under this category - I have drunk socially with friends 3 times and I am currently 16 I have always intended to go in to the psych interview and try explain this but I am thinking that while honestly is great it might not be best in this situation. Also in replying please don't tell me how bad it is or that it is illegal etc. It is a decision I have made. Think of when you were 16/17, did you really never drink once?
Thank You,
Rhinodriver (hopefully one day).
I have my assessment day coming up and I have been thinking over one issue. What would be there view on underage drinking?
I understand they would be against it but honestly, in my opinion, I think you would be hard pressed to find many year 11/12 aged kids that hadn't at least done it once or twice. I fall under this category - I have drunk socially with friends 3 times and I am currently 16 I have always intended to go in to the psych interview and try explain this but I am thinking that while honestly is great it might not be best in this situation. Also in replying please don't tell me how bad it is or that it is illegal etc. It is a decision I have made. Think of when you were 16/17, did you really never drink once?
Thank You,
Rhinodriver (hopefully one day).
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From: Australia
Did any of you manage to get out to the Airshow at Williamtown over the weekend?
It was great getting up close and personal to a few of the jets, especially the Super Hornet. Seeing it in action was inspiring. It was also helpful to chat to a few of the pilots as well.
I was disappointed that the C-17 didn't do a display, but i was able to have a good walk around the inside, and managed to have a good chat with the pilot as well. Really an amazing aircraft.
Cheers
Nick
It was great getting up close and personal to a few of the jets, especially the Super Hornet. Seeing it in action was inspiring. It was also helpful to chat to a few of the pilots as well.
I was disappointed that the C-17 didn't do a display, but i was able to have a good walk around the inside, and managed to have a good chat with the pilot as well. Really an amazing aircraft.
Cheers
Nick
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From: Australia
NickM91
Yeah I made the trip up there, got the sunburn to prove it haha.
I had a great day, but was also disappointed the C17 didn't go up...awesome to see the Rhino in action and the F111 farewell. Had a chat to an ex F111/Hawk instructor/current Rhino pilot. He summed up Flight screening as "monkey see, monkey do" which I found interesting. All in all, a long but great day. Nothing better to amp up the motivation.
OFN
Yeah I made the trip up there, got the sunburn to prove it haha.
I had a great day, but was also disappointed the C17 didn't go up...awesome to see the Rhino in action and the F111 farewell. Had a chat to an ex F111/Hawk instructor/current Rhino pilot. He summed up Flight screening as "monkey see, monkey do" which I found interesting. All in all, a long but great day. Nothing better to amp up the motivation.
OFN
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From: Sydney
I was there. Had a good chat to 'rooster' the SQDLDR at 3 Sqdn, even got some things signed by him!
His advice was straight forward and obvious, but it works. To get in, he said, be school captain, get A's in physics and high level maths and a high grading HSC, play at least one sport and be team captain and get some gliding experience. Seems straight forwards, but that will tick all the boxes and you will be a top competitor.
His advice was straight forward and obvious, but it works. To get in, he said, be school captain, get A's in physics and high level maths and a high grading HSC, play at least one sport and be team captain and get some gliding experience. Seems straight forwards, but that will tick all the boxes and you will be a top competitor.
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From: FL510
I was there. Had a good chat to 'rooster' the SQDLDR at 3 Sqdn, even got some things signed by him!
His advice was straight forward and obvious, but it works. To get in, he said, be school captain, get A's in physics and high level maths and a high grading HSC, play at least one sport and be team captain and get some gliding experience. Seems straight forwards, but that will tick all the boxes and you will be a top competitor.
His advice was straight forward and obvious, but it works. To get in, he said, be school captain, get A's in physics and high level maths and a high grading HSC, play at least one sport and be team captain and get some gliding experience. Seems straight forwards, but that will tick all the boxes and you will be a top competitor.
Although you don't need A's in maths or physics. B's are sufficient.
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From: N.S.W, Australia
Airshow
Hey NicKM91, oneflewnorth, Shonfield and anyone else who went to the airshow on the weekend, it was a great experience.
Did anyone else notice the C-130 on the saturday. It was tugged down the taxi way but then about an hour later it was tugged back. I thought hmmm, why would u tug an aircraft to the end of the runway unless u wanted to fly so something isnt right. Sure enough, on my return to the show for the sunday, it did take to the air. On that note, I too would have loved to see the Globemaster in action, oh well, cant have your cake and eat it too.
I also had a great chat to many pilots from different types (C-17, BBJ, Wedgetail, Hawk, Hornet, PC-9, CT4 instructor...Oh and the FireFighters) and at different stages in their career. To all these pilots and the organisers of the show...Thankyou, it was a priceless experience.
Did anyone else notice the C-130 on the saturday. It was tugged down the taxi way but then about an hour later it was tugged back. I thought hmmm, why would u tug an aircraft to the end of the runway unless u wanted to fly so something isnt right. Sure enough, on my return to the show for the sunday, it did take to the air. On that note, I too would have loved to see the Globemaster in action, oh well, cant have your cake and eat it too.
I also had a great chat to many pilots from different types (C-17, BBJ, Wedgetail, Hawk, Hornet, PC-9, CT4 instructor...Oh and the FireFighters) and at different stages in their career. To all these pilots and the organisers of the show...Thankyou, it was a priceless experience.
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From: Melbourne
I did my pilot additional testing yesterday and thanks to all who helped me with some invaluable information. Myself and another guy had an unusual result were we both passed for pilot but not ATC or ACO.
1. Will this possibly affect my competitiveness at FSP?
2. Will it be a possible chance for an attempted grilling at assessment day or OSB?
3. Does anyone know how or how to submit a request for results of the testing as the people at the DFRC didn’t know?
Thanks in advance,
Lacho
1. Will this possibly affect my competitiveness at FSP?
2. Will it be a possible chance for an attempted grilling at assessment day or OSB?
3. Does anyone know how or how to submit a request for results of the testing as the people at the DFRC didn’t know?
Thanks in advance,
Lacho
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From: Sydney
I assume that it has something to do with not doing well in the maths components, just my guess.
1)Prob not, but it might be harder to get on FSP
2) Unlikely
3) something about sending a request to canberrra
1)Prob not, but it might be harder to get on FSP
2) Unlikely
3) something about sending a request to canberrra
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From: Sydney, Aus
I also rang up PSA and the corporal was very nice, said I am highly likely to get a spot on the remaining 3 DEO courses but more likely for course 43 or 44 (23rd october & 30th October start dates), was pretty ecstatic at that news even though it wasn't a definite. Those dates also dont clash with my uni exams so far which is lucky.
Time for a lot of preparation now.
Time for a lot of preparation now.
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From: Sydney
Hey Aus,
Did you ring up PSA on the advice of your Case Manager/DFR?
I'm currently waiting to get on flight screening and when I asked my manager at Parramatta whether there was any way I could check how long til I heard I was told I would just have to wait for a call. However, I just came back from OSB for my 2nd pref (ACO) at Canberra, and there I met up with another guy who was also given PSAs number from his DFR and organised himself a spot after calling.
I talked to the Careers Counsellor at OSB about that and he hadn't heard about doing that and said he would be hesitant in skipping the system - so I'm just wondering if calling PSA is a legitimate step (it wouldn't surprise me if DFR gave me dodgy info
).
Can anyone provide advice?
Cheers
Did you ring up PSA on the advice of your Case Manager/DFR?
I'm currently waiting to get on flight screening and when I asked my manager at Parramatta whether there was any way I could check how long til I heard I was told I would just have to wait for a call. However, I just came back from OSB for my 2nd pref (ACO) at Canberra, and there I met up with another guy who was also given PSAs number from his DFR and organised himself a spot after calling.
I talked to the Careers Counsellor at OSB about that and he hadn't heard about doing that and said he would be hesitant in skipping the system - so I'm just wondering if calling PSA is a legitimate step (it wouldn't surprise me if DFR gave me dodgy info
).Can anyone provide advice?
Cheers
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From: Sydney, Aus
Hey schoey
You should at some point receive a letter from PSA saying that your file has arrived their and you are in competition with the other applicants and so on, I rang up PSA the day after receiving that letter and they were able to give me more information on my competitiveness. Mine arrived about 6 weeks after my Assessment Day. I would recommend ringing your manager first so they can confirm your file has arrived their, then if it has I would ring PSA up. According to PSA there are 27 DEO spots left this year (3 courses of 9).
Best of Luck
Also
Is there anyone on this forum who has been to flight screening recently and has any tips on what to expect in addition to what is throughout this thread?
You should at some point receive a letter from PSA saying that your file has arrived their and you are in competition with the other applicants and so on, I rang up PSA the day after receiving that letter and they were able to give me more information on my competitiveness. Mine arrived about 6 weeks after my Assessment Day. I would recommend ringing your manager first so they can confirm your file has arrived their, then if it has I would ring PSA up. According to PSA there are 27 DEO spots left this year (3 courses of 9).
Best of Luck
Also
Is there anyone on this forum who has been to flight screening recently and has any tips on what to expect in addition to what is throughout this thread?
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From: Melbourne
Congrats on getting a spot at FSP lesnak!
I just did my pilot spec testing last week and now have my assessment day next week, so hopefully I'll be making my way up to Tamworth in the not too distant future too.
On another note, I'm brushing up on things for assessment day including things like leadership.
I remember reading a post (may or may not have been here) about the leadership style/philosophy used in the RAAF and ADF. Unfortunately I didn't copy down the link and haven't had any luck finding it again. Can anyone help me with a gentle nudge in the right direction?
Thanks,
Ant
I just did my pilot spec testing last week and now have my assessment day next week, so hopefully I'll be making my way up to Tamworth in the not too distant future too.
On another note, I'm brushing up on things for assessment day including things like leadership.
I remember reading a post (may or may not have been here) about the leadership style/philosophy used in the RAAF and ADF. Unfortunately I didn't copy down the link and haven't had any luck finding it again. Can anyone help me with a gentle nudge in the right direction?
Thanks,
Ant
Last edited by ant1984; 27th September 2010 at 03:26.