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Old 5th Aug 2010, 00:43
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PF,

Jealous of the Aeros- what are you flying in?
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Old 5th Aug 2010, 02:19
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Oldpinger, I'm flying the Robin 2160/Alpha A160 at the moment and thoroughly enjoying it. Hoping to progress to the Pitts Special before the end of the year if things with the RAAF don't take root straight away after FSP or at all.

JimmyR, are you progressing towards your first solo and your GFPT with your flying or are you just getting out there for the love of it? Even though you might be stuck in the Advanced course I would imagine that the assessors would take the into account the varied flight skills of those in that course. Plus you get more time in the CAP10!
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Old 5th Aug 2010, 02:23
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PF,

Are you training out at Red Baron? If so, any comments on the school?
Thanks mate.
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Old 5th Aug 2010, 05:37
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FSP

JR,

in my experience at FSP, i would not like to attempt the advanced FSP with anything less than 50 hours experience. The rate of learning that you have to show is double the basic course. So the best advice i can give you do some aerobatic training up to 19.9 hours. Then you will be able to put on your best display. I must stress that this is my opinion. On my particular course there was 2 advanced candidates, myself with 75 hours and other commercial pilot with 190 hours, I managed to get through and the other guy didnt. But with 30-40 hours experience, i feel you would be disadvantaged in the advanced group.

oneflewnorth,

I was involved with the red barron cram course and i found it very beneficial. The guys there know there stuff (Matt is a ex FJ pilot). It is money well spent if your serious about performing well at FSP

Dean
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Old 5th Aug 2010, 05:49
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PF, to be honest I'm not really sure - I've basically been flying for the last month trying to get as much relevant experience in the lead up to the August FSP courses. I asked them to push me and show me as much as possible in a short space of time but now that I've missed this round I'll have to think about what I want to do. I've never really considered a career in aviation outside the ADF however I would consider it to be a waste of time and money to not at least pursue a PPL or the like if I'm going to do the hours. So I guess now that I have more time up my sleeve I'll keep flying and continue to prepare as best as possible for an invite to FSP, whilst at the same time working to fulfil the requirements of the path you're talking about.

That was my thinking too - I'm sure they will take into account the fact that I might have 30 hours compared to someone else doing the Advanced course that might have ten times that - as it's based on rate of learning I can't really see any issue. And yep, more time in the CAP 10 sounds fun! I'm flying a Super Decathlon for aeros by the way. Would love to get up in a biplane at some point - my Dad's mate has a Pitts but apparently it's a fair handful to fly...

Hmmm just saw that last post Romper - nice work throwing a spanner in my master plan. Back to the drawing board...

- Cheers by the way; always good to get advice from someone who has been there and done it themselves.

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Old 5th Aug 2010, 06:09
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My apologies JR,

But i was in exactly the same position as you! I was at the GFPT stage and had to make the decision to fly heaps or stop! I was advised by a serving Military pilot that i should get at least 50 hours experience for the advanced course or stop flying now. I made a decision and kept flying as much as i could! It worked out for me. Either way mate I wish you luck!
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Old 5th Aug 2010, 06:18
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Hahahaha no worries - cheers for the info. Hmmm I'm not sure i can rack up 40+ hours in the next 2 months... plus no guarantees I'll get a spot anyway. Decisions decisions...
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Old 5th Aug 2010, 07:49
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Cheers JimmyR, the support is appreciated.

Interesting to read how many hours people are accruing pre FSP, myself having only 1 hour up there (2x TIF's - loved it). I dont think it is worthwhile or economically responsible of me personally to accrue a significant amount (ie 10 - 19.9) of flight hours when they are essentially looking for your ability to learn and uptake of information. I realise that lessons show motivation so I am planning to book in a few more in the coming months but most likely <4 this year, not due to willingness but more cost. I hope it doesnt disadvantage me, anyone else in my situation out there? My defence interviewer seemed to agree with my reasons.
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Old 5th Aug 2010, 08:13
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I believe (and my recruiter agreed with me) that if you really think you need airborne experience prior to FSP, you should take up gliding as that is raw flying at it's best. Just you flying more by instinct, not following procedures (developing bad habits). Getting a feel for the unique gliding experience and handling while getting accustomed to the airborne environment and to top it off it's much cheaper than powered flight.
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Old 5th Aug 2010, 10:05
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I had 8 hours prior to FSP (4hrs in a CT-4E) and felt in was invaluable in terms of familiarity with the airborne environment leaving more head space to deal with the challenges you are thrown. Just my opinion but I would deter anyone from stopping at 19.9 hrs as it would seem to show that you are, in a way, taking the "easy" option of getting onto the basic course, something they might slam you with at the OSB. They are quite similar anyway, just a couple more sorties in the CAP-10 for the advanced mob but in saying that, they do expect more of you. Depending on who's on the course, I've heard of people being placed in the advanced course with only 15 or so hrs.
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Old 5th Aug 2010, 12:23
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Does anybody know for sure if gliding hours are counted for basic/advanced FSP?

Also, if I were to be knocked back the first time (straight out of school) and joined the reserves, anyone know how to process changes?

Thanks,
Sam
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Old 5th Aug 2010, 20:58
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JR,
I was in the same situation in May having missed the FSP then and having to wait more than 2 months at least until the next ones. I also had about 10h flying experience and decided not to spend any more on flying until my FSP would come up. Instead, I took up a part time job and studied towards PPL theory... it's kept me busy and at the same time I felt that I wasn't wasting my time...
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Old 5th Aug 2010, 22:57
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Shonfield,

Yes all flying hours are taken into account.

cj0203,

To be placed on an advanced course you need to have +20 hours and that is worked out some how reference currency. So if you have 30 hours but that was 5 years ago you may still be a basic.
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Old 6th Aug 2010, 10:19
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Hey guys I'm thinking of joining the police force to be an officer while I am waiting for my next assessment day to come round. I believe that would be very impressive and would not be too hard to get into, plus I can see all the benefits of being a police officer!

I guess there are not many applicants who do this so it would help make me stand out more so I have more chance at OSB.

What do you guys think?
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Old 6th Aug 2010, 10:22
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Old 6th Aug 2010, 10:24
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BP77-So not dedicated to a career in the ADF then? What happens if you get accepted and then knock them back after an offer from the ADF. Hardly a demonstration that you are singleminded for a career in the ADF where someone (taxpayer) is going to fork out millions to train you.


Just a suggestion......

Or maybe I'm just getting old....
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Old 6th Aug 2010, 11:29
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Yes I see what you both are saying. Being a pilot in the RAAF is much more appealing to me than being a police officer. This was just an idea of mine though, some people decide to join sporting clubs to show leadership qualities or do volunteer work which shows humility etc. Joining the police force will show maturity and definately leadership/officer skills. If worse comes to worse I would still have a reliable and great job as an police officer which I would be happily pursuing for many years to come!

Talking about being single-minded for a career in the RAAF, my psychologist asked me why I was not studying at university this year instead of working part time and I told him that I am focused just on getting into the RAAF as much as I can and I didn't want any unnecessary distractions. He said it would have been a little better maybe to be studying my engineering course that I had deferred.
I show him I am determined to be a pilot by concentrating totally on only that, becoming a pilot and he says I should take some of my attention away to something else? I don't see the purpose of spending a few thousand dollars ($7000) studying this year to partially gain a degree which will help me attain a job I don't even want (aerospace engineer).

Anyway getting a bit off track here, of course I'm not thinking of joining the police force just to "have it on my resume" It's a job that is appealing to me, but not as appealing as being an officer, pilot in the RAAF! Both of which I am capable of.

Thanks guys
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Old 7th Aug 2010, 00:31
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If your serious, read the whole thread, all the answers are here.
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Old 7th Aug 2010, 00:46
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ceskazbrojovka,

I'm not going to drop answers to questions that are answered throughout the thread, especially not when people like BP77 have gone through each page. If you're really that keen to spend the next 14 years as a RAAF pilot then motivating yourself to sift through this thread shouldn't be a big hurdle. Not saying you don't want the position, but get into it!

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Old 8th Aug 2010, 20:27
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oneflewnorth,

I guess the aircraft mix that I spoke of made it obvious where I have been doing my flying recently. I really only have good things to say about the flying school but if you want to ask me anything specific send me a PM.
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