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Yes there are some who do not understand.
1. To be a pilot in most Air Forces, you have to show the qualities that enable officers to function in what is considered to be the officer way. Many excellent pilots have gone to the wall, because they either did not understand that requirement, or where not prepared to hone their skills, until the required standards where obtained.
2. Then there are those who think that because they the skills to be a good pilot, that they are entitled for entry as such. Nothing could be further from the truth. The Air Force has learnt over many years what are the talents they are looking for, and will quickly walk away from those who cannot or will not cut the mustard.
3. The system is focused on the aspects they are looking for, you may be able to paint a picture that is preety, but the system will catch you if what you are seeking is not what the Air Force require.
4. Certainly having a keen mind and being right on the ball, but at the end of the day there are plenty of hot shot pilots, but very few who show real leadership and team work talents.
5. You have to be carefull to blend your desires to achieve, with the Air Force ways, or you will not make it.
6. You have no right to be an Air Force pilot, no one is garanteed entry, and you really need to understand what the real requirements are. In many cases it will mean learning all over again
In conclusion I well remember a co pilot student who really stuffed up. 250 hours and he knew it all. Bad run in with QFI who told him he would not fly with him anymore. Felt a bit sorry and fronted the QFI and I said he really wants to fly. His response was "if he really wants to fly, he can flap his arms and jump out the window." After some more discusion he said, its all about humilty, if he comes to understand that I became a QFI after lots of effort, and he needs to learn that he really knows nothing, and needs to impress me with how much he wants to learn, and not how much he knows.
Had a long talk with the trainee and lessons started again. 25 years later ran into him at a re union, and he was then a Group Captain, so a change of attitude stopped the Air Force loosing firstly someone who became a good office and not a bad pilot to boot.
By all means demonstate your keeness, but do not come the bounch as that is what will happen to you.
Best of Luck
Col
1. To be a pilot in most Air Forces, you have to show the qualities that enable officers to function in what is considered to be the officer way. Many excellent pilots have gone to the wall, because they either did not understand that requirement, or where not prepared to hone their skills, until the required standards where obtained.
2. Then there are those who think that because they the skills to be a good pilot, that they are entitled for entry as such. Nothing could be further from the truth. The Air Force has learnt over many years what are the talents they are looking for, and will quickly walk away from those who cannot or will not cut the mustard.
3. The system is focused on the aspects they are looking for, you may be able to paint a picture that is preety, but the system will catch you if what you are seeking is not what the Air Force require.
4. Certainly having a keen mind and being right on the ball, but at the end of the day there are plenty of hot shot pilots, but very few who show real leadership and team work talents.
5. You have to be carefull to blend your desires to achieve, with the Air Force ways, or you will not make it.
6. You have no right to be an Air Force pilot, no one is garanteed entry, and you really need to understand what the real requirements are. In many cases it will mean learning all over again
In conclusion I well remember a co pilot student who really stuffed up. 250 hours and he knew it all. Bad run in with QFI who told him he would not fly with him anymore. Felt a bit sorry and fronted the QFI and I said he really wants to fly. His response was "if he really wants to fly, he can flap his arms and jump out the window." After some more discusion he said, its all about humilty, if he comes to understand that I became a QFI after lots of effort, and he needs to learn that he really knows nothing, and needs to impress me with how much he wants to learn, and not how much he knows.
Had a long talk with the trainee and lessons started again. 25 years later ran into him at a re union, and he was then a Group Captain, so a change of attitude stopped the Air Force loosing firstly someone who became a good office and not a bad pilot to boot.
By all means demonstate your keeness, but do not come the bounch as that is what will happen to you.
Best of Luck
Col
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Hi all,
Just a couple of questions in regards to the attire when at FSP.
[edit] ...and is there any other useful items which should be bought to FSP that may not be obvious (to applicants)?
Just a couple of questions in regards to the attire when at FSP.
- Is there an recommended/prefered clothing to wear under our flying suits?
- I understand that short sleeve business style shirts are acceptable, but would polos be acceptable aswell (eg. ralph lauren polo)?
- Outside office hours, i'm expecting that we're not required to wear business attire (correct me if i'm wrong) - if that's the case, should respectable T-shirts and short pants be sufficient?
[edit] ...and is there any other useful items which should be bought to FSP that may not be obvious (to applicants)?
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Can anyone tell me what to expect in regards to the speech that you have to present at OSB at the end of FSP? Is DFR supposed to give you the topic, are you given the topic at FSP that you are expected to have completed by OSB, or is it more of an impromptu sort of thing? Does anyone know what the topic is?
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
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What I think you should involve in your speech are.
Why you want it.
Why you deserve it.
What can you do for the ADF/RAAF
Why should we spend more than 1 million dollars on you.
etc etc
Why you want it.
Why you deserve it.
What can you do for the ADF/RAAF
Why should we spend more than 1 million dollars on you.
etc etc
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Thanks for the reply, Blake-H. Just to make sure, are you saying from experience, that you choose what to present or that you are required to prepare a speech on why you should be chosen for pilot training .ect?
Anyway, that sounds like a pretty typical profile for the ADF. I thought I'd prepare a few speeches covering these points as a contingency anyway, so I'll do that.
Anyway, that sounds like a pretty typical profile for the ADF. I thought I'd prepare a few speeches covering these points as a contingency anyway, so I'll do that.
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No not technically from experience.
But I have read many articles which basically involve what I have said.
If you can think off more stuff to say thats GREAT! But try to make it short.
Don't over do it with a hour long speach, they'll think your just some loser lols.
Make it short with "Smart" words
One thing don't say "I Think" say "I Know" give them a reason to pick you over hundreds or thousands of applicants
But I have read many articles which basically involve what I have said.
If you can think off more stuff to say thats GREAT! But try to make it short.
Don't over do it with a hour long speach, they'll think your just some loser lols.
Make it short with "Smart" words
One thing don't say "I Think" say "I Know" give them a reason to pick you over hundreds or thousands of applicants
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Physics and the RAAF
Sorry for a bit of a thread derail, but this is the last week I have to change subjects, I think...
I've asked about school subjects and the way the RAAF/DFR will look at you before, but in regards to science, will it hurt you if you don't do either physics or chem during Years 11/12? The reason I'm asking is because of the two tests I got back from school today, the Econs Test was 88%, and the Physics test about half that. To be honest, I don't give a sh*t about how water boils, that Kelvin is something like -273 degrees C, or anything along that train of thought (not exactly, but you get the idea)
I took physics in the first place because I was told some of the content related closely to Aviation, but seeing as I'm already doing an Aviation Subject, I'll probably learn most of what I would've gleaned during Physics in that. And besides, I've been able to tell someone how a plane flies since I was about six years old.
I've asked about school subjects and the way the RAAF/DFR will look at you before, but in regards to science, will it hurt you if you don't do either physics or chem during Years 11/12? The reason I'm asking is because of the two tests I got back from school today, the Econs Test was 88%, and the Physics test about half that. To be honest, I don't give a sh*t about how water boils, that Kelvin is something like -273 degrees C, or anything along that train of thought (not exactly, but you get the idea)
I took physics in the first place because I was told some of the content related closely to Aviation, but seeing as I'm already doing an Aviation Subject, I'll probably learn most of what I would've gleaned during Physics in that. And besides, I've been able to tell someone how a plane flies since I was about six years old.
Dilmah G,
Unless it has changed, Physics and one other science subject are required.
It does not matter if you know how water boils, it is an indication that you can study and apply your self to subjects that have similar thought processes.
DFR will not really care if you can tell them how an aircraft flies. All they will want are the minimum subject requirements before they will even let you in the door.
Unless it has changed, Physics and one other science subject are required.
It does not matter if you know how water boils, it is an indication that you can study and apply your self to subjects that have similar thought processes.
DFR will not really care if you can tell them how an aircraft flies. All they will want are the minimum subject requirements before they will even let you in the door.
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As I've said before, do the subjects you like and will do well in. I don't know when you last checked the education requirements but no year 11 or 12 science subjects are required for entry, even when they were you only needed a result of 53% (for NSW). That goes for maths and english too. Anyway, all you need is a grade C in year 10 science and have to do advanced maths or whatever it's called. Just try and do well in the subjects you do and make sure you do the required maths.
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As I've said before, do the subjects you like and will do well in. I don't know when you last checked the education requirements but no year 11 or 12 science subjects are required for entry, even when they were you only needed a result of 53% (for NSW). That goes for maths and english too. Anyway, all you need is a grade C in year 10 science and have to do advanced maths or whatever it's called. Just try and do well in the subjects you do and make sure you do the required maths.
ADF pilot applicants must have completed Year 12 with passes in English, Mathematics (Tertairy Entrance Level) and two other academic subjects.
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Thanks for the replies,
I do happen to like physics, I just end up being rather poor at it when it comes to tests and the like (I probably lost half the marks on my test because of my poor handwriting, something I'll need to work on.)
Just checked on DefenceJobs, C Grade in Year 10 science is required for pilot, however the mandatory science pass for Year 11 is something I don't recall seeing for ACO before.
And my maths course is to their standard, at least. I just don't want to be disadvantaged by having a C on my report card, especially since I was planning to apply for ADFA.
I do happen to like physics, I just end up being rather poor at it when it comes to tests and the like (I probably lost half the marks on my test because of my poor handwriting, something I'll need to work on.)
Just checked on DefenceJobs, C Grade in Year 10 science is required for pilot, however the mandatory science pass for Year 11 is something I don't recall seeing for ACO before.
And my maths course is to their standard, at least. I just don't want to be disadvantaged by having a C on my report card, especially since I was planning to apply for ADFA.
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Pilot age
Hi all,
Just curious as to what the typical age is for most pilots going through FSP - just as a guide. I am 30 years old and have just applied for my YOU session and extremely keen to learn as much as possible about the process to better my chances.
Is it difficult to get someone to show you around a RAAF base? I live near RAAF Amberley and want nothing more than to fly FJ's.
I appreciate any help/guidance.
Thanks
Just curious as to what the typical age is for most pilots going through FSP - just as a guide. I am 30 years old and have just applied for my YOU session and extremely keen to learn as much as possible about the process to better my chances.
Is it difficult to get someone to show you around a RAAF base? I live near RAAF Amberley and want nothing more than to fly FJ's.
I appreciate any help/guidance.
Thanks
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I'm in Year 11 actually, . Subjects like space and aeronautics are the things that interest me in physics, last year we covered light and I found that rather interesting, although I got something like a 69% overall mark for the course, and ended up getting a B.
Truth be told, I find physics interesting, but I just haven't found a good way of studying for it. And seeing my test pages marked with red crosses/zeroes and being berated for my poor handwriting (which probably resulted in me getting no marks for working) every second page got me down a little.
I've got another test tomorrow, but I'll just try my hardest for a B.
. Subjects like space and aeronautics are the things that interest me in physics, last year we covered light and I found that rather interesting, although I got something like a 69% overall mark for the course, and ended up getting a B. Truth be told, I find physics interesting, but I just haven't found a good way of studying for it. And seeing my test pages marked with red crosses/zeroes and being berated for my poor handwriting (which probably resulted in me getting no marks for working) every second page got me down a little.
I've got another test tomorrow, but I'll just try my hardest for a B.
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Ah yeah, I was thinking about the ADFA Education Award, which is why Year 11 results did tend to concern me. As long as I work out some way to avoid getting a C or a D for Physics, I'll be contended on that front.
By the way, another question out of left field, does anyone have knowledge of what the Medical Standards are to be classified Class 1? DFR were of no hope on that.
By the way, another question out of left field, does anyone have knowledge of what the Medical Standards are to be classified Class 1? DFR were of no hope on that.
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Dilmah,
Mate it has been a while since i first stepped through the door in recruiting as a naive 17 year old, but just a word of caution with the Education Award. I went for that way back when(about 10 years ago), and part of that was doing the Pilot testing, which i failed and was subsequently not able to sit the tests for another year, stopping me from applying to ADFA post year 12. It may not be the same now but i would check if i were you, and definately don't go in there half arsed like i did. I also had a D for my first YR12 Physics exam and the psyche told me that i was not smart enough, didn't have the aptitude and wouldn't get good enough marks, so should give up on that and find another career.
Another point being to anybody, that if a pysch tells you something like they told me, ignore those bastards because i listened and gave up for quite a few years. But i went back eventually and now am flying what i always wanted to fly!
Madkeen,
Mate, Have at! I had 2 guys on my Pilots course over 30, it can definatley be done. As far as base visits go, don't go through DFR as they are hopeless, ring the base and tell them what you want to do and they should be able to put you through to somebody! I went to 2FTS, OTS and Richmond and all were quite helpfull.
Mate it has been a while since i first stepped through the door in recruiting as a naive 17 year old, but just a word of caution with the Education Award. I went for that way back when(about 10 years ago), and part of that was doing the Pilot testing, which i failed and was subsequently not able to sit the tests for another year, stopping me from applying to ADFA post year 12. It may not be the same now but i would check if i were you, and definately don't go in there half arsed like i did. I also had a D for my first YR12 Physics exam and the psyche told me that i was not smart enough, didn't have the aptitude and wouldn't get good enough marks, so should give up on that and find another career.
Another point being to anybody, that if a pysch tells you something like they told me, ignore those bastards because i listened and gave up for quite a few years. But i went back eventually and now am flying what i always wanted to fly!
Madkeen,
Mate, Have at! I had 2 guys on my Pilots course over 30, it can definatley be done. As far as base visits go, don't go through DFR as they are hopeless, ring the base and tell them what you want to do and they should be able to put you through to somebody! I went to 2FTS, OTS and Richmond and all were quite helpfull.
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Madkeen,
I'm 31 and completed FSP in Oct/Nov and was recommended and currently awaiting offer. My 1st pref is Army but missed out on the recent intake which was last week. Bit disappointed as I know of 2 guys on my FSP course who didn't score as highly as me and were both given the call for Army. The are both early/mid 20's so I'm curious as to whether age is a factor? My OSB interview went really well I thought so I can't see that as bringing my score down overall.
But yes it's definitely something to have a crack at mate. I think next Army intake is June so fingers crossed!
I'm 31 and completed FSP in Oct/Nov and was recommended and currently awaiting offer. My 1st pref is Army but missed out on the recent intake which was last week. Bit disappointed as I know of 2 guys on my FSP course who didn't score as highly as me and were both given the call for Army. The are both early/mid 20's so I'm curious as to whether age is a factor? My OSB interview went really well I thought so I can't see that as bringing my score down overall.
But yes it's definitely something to have a crack at mate. I think next Army intake is June so fingers crossed!
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FSP candidates are not supposed to be told their scores after their flights.
Some candidates think they do quite well though - even if they do say so themselves............
Some candidates think they do quite well though - even if they do say so themselves............
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Cj,
Thanks for the reply, I am curious about that as well but have read mixed answers regarding age. Being that 30, I hope that helps in my application process seeing that I have "real world" work experience, am educated and keen to fly. Sorry to hear about not getting the call up this time but hang tight and go after what you want.
Thanks for the reply, I am curious about that as well but have read mixed answers regarding age. Being that 30, I hope that helps in my application process seeing that I have "real world" work experience, am educated and keen to fly. Sorry to hear about not getting the call up this time but hang tight and go after what you want.
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Keenas, cheers for the response and the advice, I will certainly be ringing RAAF Amberley and will try to get a base visit and some insight from someone there. I think that will weigh well with my own head and the selection process, long term. Any other advice or tips would be extremely welcomed.
Thanks again.
Thanks again.