RAAF Flight Screening Programme
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Hey GC unless you're going for ADFA entry its pretty unlikely you'll get a FSP spot this year. Your enlistment coordinator would have to get your file to Tamworth immediately after your assessment session and then have it paper boarded very quickly along with you being at the top of the pool competitiveness-wise after that. They send out FSP offers pretty much bang on a month prior to start.
On the other hand for ADFA entry you've got a good shot assuming you're competitive and DFR moves quickly for you (this can vary greatly!
).
On the other hand for ADFA entry you've got a good shot assuming you're competitive and DFR moves quickly for you (this can vary greatly!
).At any rate I still have to nail assessment day before I worry about it!
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@13Beast, Try googling BAE Systems Tamworth to find a number. Ask to be transferred to the flight screening people. They are actually pretty helpful and happy to speak to you.
I was reading on ABC news a few months back that they are going to develop a flight simulator program for the flight screening program which would mean they can process applicants a lot faster and more efficiently. From what I remember, this won't be implemented 'till about 2021 however.
I was reading on ABC news a few months back that they are going to develop a flight simulator program for the flight screening program which would mean they can process applicants a lot faster and more efficiently. From what I remember, this won't be implemented 'till about 2021 however.
Heads up to all, apparently (for DEO) there are 40 in the pool, with another dozen or so to go in once scored. And three more FSPs to go (for DEO) making a total of 18 spots up for grabs before it goes to East Sale with no idea what will happen from there.
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So did they mention that FSP will officially be moving down to Sale next year?
A lot of the AIR5428 stuff doesn't seem to be lining up that well with any published or planned dates I've found whilst researching. Some articles mention BFTS hanging around at Tamworth till 2019. Whether or not that includes FSP I don't know.
A lot of the AIR5428 stuff doesn't seem to be lining up that well with any published or planned dates I've found whilst researching. Some articles mention BFTS hanging around at Tamworth till 2019. Whether or not that includes FSP I don't know.
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BAE still have the contract to run Army pilots course next year.
But the lady is correct, no more flight screening at Tamworth as of next year. It will all be done in the PC-21 flight sim.
But the lady is correct, no more flight screening at Tamworth as of next year. It will all be done in the PC-21 flight sim.
Overall intake numbers for flight screening will increase once it moves to simulator only at RAAF East Sale.
Aiming to flight screen 240 people across Army, Navy and Air Force.
Aiming to flight screen 240 people across Army, Navy and Air Force.
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Can any one confirm this or heard similar?
So will this only be for flight screening at east sale during the 2018 period onwards but BFTS will still be conducted at Tamworth on the CT/4B? or will BFTS also begin at East sale on the Pc21 as well in 2018? From what I've researched the first BFTS/2FTS pilot courses utilising the Pc21 wont begin until early 2019.
Can any one confirm this or heard similar?
Can any one confirm this or heard similar?
Flight screening next year in Sale, Course 2019.
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Freshly updated as per the ADF recruitment website....
Detailed evaluation
A detailed evaluation of your suitability to become an Air Force Pilot requires a primary and a secondary selection process. The primary selection process is conducted by Defence Force Recruiting at your local DFRC and includes interviews and an initial Officer Aviation (OA) aptitude test. Those candidates assessed as suitable will progress to the secondary assessment stage, which includes a two day Aviation Screening Program (ASP). Depending on your ASP results you may be invited to attend an Officer Selection Board (OSB). The OSB will be scheduled for some time after ASP.
The ASP will be managed by the Aviation Candidate Management Centre (ACMC) and will take place at RAAF Base East Sale, VIC.
The ASP is designed to evaluate OA applicants in order to determine their suitability to undergo aviation training. The first day of the ASP is all about learning more about the different aviation roles. Because the ASP is held at RAAF Base East Sale, where you will do your initial aviation training, it is perfect location to find out what it would be like studying at the Air Academy. On the second day you you will undergo cognitive assessment using a Computer Based Aptitude Testing System to determine you potential for Aviation Training.
At some time after ASP, selected candidates will be invited to attend an Officer Aviation Selection Board, which involves a series of group activities, problem-solving exercises and verbal presentation exercises plus a formal interview. This gives applicants an excellent opportunity to display their true potential to be an Officer. The OSB is made up of an RAAF officer plus a Psychologist.
For detailed information on Officer Aviation please contact [email protected]
Detailed evaluation
A detailed evaluation of your suitability to become an Air Force Pilot requires a primary and a secondary selection process. The primary selection process is conducted by Defence Force Recruiting at your local DFRC and includes interviews and an initial Officer Aviation (OA) aptitude test. Those candidates assessed as suitable will progress to the secondary assessment stage, which includes a two day Aviation Screening Program (ASP). Depending on your ASP results you may be invited to attend an Officer Selection Board (OSB). The OSB will be scheduled for some time after ASP.
The ASP will be managed by the Aviation Candidate Management Centre (ACMC) and will take place at RAAF Base East Sale, VIC.
The ASP is designed to evaluate OA applicants in order to determine their suitability to undergo aviation training. The first day of the ASP is all about learning more about the different aviation roles. Because the ASP is held at RAAF Base East Sale, where you will do your initial aviation training, it is perfect location to find out what it would be like studying at the Air Academy. On the second day you you will undergo cognitive assessment using a Computer Based Aptitude Testing System to determine you potential for Aviation Training.
At some time after ASP, selected candidates will be invited to attend an Officer Aviation Selection Board, which involves a series of group activities, problem-solving exercises and verbal presentation exercises plus a formal interview. This gives applicants an excellent opportunity to display their true potential to be an Officer. The OSB is made up of an RAAF officer plus a Psychologist.
For detailed information on Officer Aviation please contact [email protected]
Once the aviation academy is up and running people will stop joining the RAAF as pilots. They'll join as aviation candidates. After a certain amount of testing/screening then some will be offered pilot, Nav, ATC or admin. Neatly following ANCA, aviate, navigate, communicate and administrate.
Hey Slezy - will the aviation academy be Return-of-Service-Obligation-free? Ie, if you get "streamed" for admin, can you say, "thanks, but no thanks..."?
I like the neat match with ANCA!
I like the neat match with ANCA!
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Wow, big changes are being implemented... Safe to speculate that this is because of their need for more pilots in a quicker fashion then their old recruiting system could provide (coupled with all the new airframes and rampant advertising)?
Freshly updated as per the ADF recruitment website....
Detailed evaluation
A detailed evaluation of your suitability to become an Air Force Pilot requires a primary and a secondary selection process. The primary selection process is conducted by Defence Force Recruiting at your local DFRC and includes interviews and an initial Officer Aviation (OA) aptitude test. Those candidates assessed as suitable will progress to the secondary assessment stage, which includes a two day Aviation Screening Program (ASP). Depending on your ASP results you may be invited to attend an Officer Selection Board (OSB). The OSB will be scheduled for some time after ASP.
The ASP will be managed by the Aviation Candidate Management Centre (ACMC) and will take place at RAAF Base East Sale, VIC.
The ASP is designed to evaluate OA applicants in order to determine their suitability to undergo aviation training. The first day of the ASP is all about learning more about the different aviation roles. Because the ASP is held at RAAF Base East Sale, where you will do your initial aviation training, it is perfect location to find out what it would be like studying at the Air Academy. On the second day you you will undergo cognitive assessment using a Computer Based Aptitude Testing System to determine you potential for Aviation Training.
At some time after ASP, selected candidates will be invited to attend an Officer Aviation Selection Board, which involves a series of group activities, problem-solving exercises and verbal presentation exercises plus a formal interview. This gives applicants an excellent opportunity to display their true potential to be an Officer. The OSB is made up of an RAAF officer plus a Psychologist.
For detailed information on Officer Aviation please contact [email protected]
Detailed evaluation
A detailed evaluation of your suitability to become an Air Force Pilot requires a primary and a secondary selection process. The primary selection process is conducted by Defence Force Recruiting at your local DFRC and includes interviews and an initial Officer Aviation (OA) aptitude test. Those candidates assessed as suitable will progress to the secondary assessment stage, which includes a two day Aviation Screening Program (ASP). Depending on your ASP results you may be invited to attend an Officer Selection Board (OSB). The OSB will be scheduled for some time after ASP.
The ASP will be managed by the Aviation Candidate Management Centre (ACMC) and will take place at RAAF Base East Sale, VIC.
The ASP is designed to evaluate OA applicants in order to determine their suitability to undergo aviation training. The first day of the ASP is all about learning more about the different aviation roles. Because the ASP is held at RAAF Base East Sale, where you will do your initial aviation training, it is perfect location to find out what it would be like studying at the Air Academy. On the second day you you will undergo cognitive assessment using a Computer Based Aptitude Testing System to determine you potential for Aviation Training.
At some time after ASP, selected candidates will be invited to attend an Officer Aviation Selection Board, which involves a series of group activities, problem-solving exercises and verbal presentation exercises plus a formal interview. This gives applicants an excellent opportunity to display their true potential to be an Officer. The OSB is made up of an RAAF officer plus a Psychologist.
For detailed information on Officer Aviation please contact [email protected]
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From the DFR airforce pilot information page under employment training:
So this would suggest that the simulators are still a while off. The 2019 timeline seems to fit.
By the time students graduate from ADFA the CT4 and PC9 training aircraft will have been replaced the PC21 aircraft and basic flying training will have moved from Tamworth to RAAF Base East Sale
The Pilot Basic Course will be 24 Weeks in duration and students will fly about 60 hours in PC21 aircraft and simulators. The flying disciplines on pilot basic course include General Flying (GF), Instrument Flying (IF), Night Flying (NF) and an introduction to medium level visual Navigation (NAV). GF includes manoeuvres such as flying circuits, basic aerobatics, stalling and emergency handling. IF instruction covers basic instrument interpretation skills and flying instrument approaches. Ground training will also be conducted in Aerodynamics, Aircraft Systems, Airmanship, Air Power, Air Traffic Control, Aviation Medicine, Cockpit Systems, Meteorology, Morse Code, and Navigation.
Upon completion of the Pilot Basic Course, students will proceed to 2FTS at RAAF Base Pearce for Pilot Intermediate Course. Flying at 2FTS is also undertaken in the PC21. The course is approximately 30 weeks duration with 135 hours of flying and simulation. Aside from developing the flying skills learnt on Pilot Basis Course, students will also be introduced to formation flying and low-level navigation. Students will also learn how to operate an aircraft and not just fly it. Following completion of Pilot Intermediate Course students will complete Pilot Advanced course, if they have been streamed to fast jets, or complete an operational conversion on a transport or surveillance aircraft.
The Pilot Basic Course will be 24 Weeks in duration and students will fly about 60 hours in PC21 aircraft and simulators. The flying disciplines on pilot basic course include General Flying (GF), Instrument Flying (IF), Night Flying (NF) and an introduction to medium level visual Navigation (NAV). GF includes manoeuvres such as flying circuits, basic aerobatics, stalling and emergency handling. IF instruction covers basic instrument interpretation skills and flying instrument approaches. Ground training will also be conducted in Aerodynamics, Aircraft Systems, Airmanship, Air Power, Air Traffic Control, Aviation Medicine, Cockpit Systems, Meteorology, Morse Code, and Navigation.
Upon completion of the Pilot Basic Course, students will proceed to 2FTS at RAAF Base Pearce for Pilot Intermediate Course. Flying at 2FTS is also undertaken in the PC21. The course is approximately 30 weeks duration with 135 hours of flying and simulation. Aside from developing the flying skills learnt on Pilot Basis Course, students will also be introduced to formation flying and low-level navigation. Students will also learn how to operate an aircraft and not just fly it. Following completion of Pilot Intermediate Course students will complete Pilot Advanced course, if they have been streamed to fast jets, or complete an operational conversion on a transport or surveillance aircraft.
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Which page did you find this on? I just checked the pilot job pages for the roles I'm interested in and they only mention the older FSP program. I also attended a recruitment session about a month ago and they made no mention of this newer process either. Not doubting you, just seeking clarification.
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Ladies and gents,
Does anyone know the current visual standards for aircrew? Specifically, what the pre-op limit for any kind of laser eye surgery is?
Was tracking -7, but have recently read -3 for aircrew in light of a recent change and would like to confirm.
Does anyone know the current visual standards for aircrew? Specifically, what the pre-op limit for any kind of laser eye surgery is?
Was tracking -7, but have recently read -3 for aircrew in light of a recent change and would like to confirm.
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Another update on FSP. Was on the phone this morning to BAE Systems, and apparently all DEO slots have now been filled for this year's remaining FSPs. All those remaining in the pool, me included, will likely be transferred to the new system as priority candidates, and should all expect a call-up to attend a flight screening course with the new system from next year. Letters will be coming out to all those affected in the coming weeks, and will provide further updates on the situation.
Apparently, they are still ironing out exactly how the whole transition from Tamworth to East Sale will go, so don't take my word as gospel given the state of flux, but that is what I was informed this morning.
Apparently, they are still ironing out exactly how the whole transition from Tamworth to East Sale will go, so don't take my word as gospel given the state of flux, but that is what I was informed this morning.
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Hey Everyone.
I had my assessment session for pilot last Thursday and was successful. I have received some info about the FSP changes.
Starting from 2018 FSP is no more and ASP is starting (Aviation Screening Program). this is 2 day course at East sale. As the RAAF is acquiring PC-21 trainers to replace their CT4B and PC-9 Trainers, these are high performance aircraft so they will not allow candidates to fly them. This is where the ASP comes in. It will be a computer and simulator based assessment and a tour of the base. I'm unsure if OSB will be in the same week.
Starting 2019 BFTS will be at East sale and all RAAF and RAN pilots students will conduct their training there. Start of 2020 is when RAA students will conduct their training at East Sale.
Hope that helps
JK
I had my assessment session for pilot last Thursday and was successful. I have received some info about the FSP changes.
Starting from 2018 FSP is no more and ASP is starting (Aviation Screening Program). this is 2 day course at East sale. As the RAAF is acquiring PC-21 trainers to replace their CT4B and PC-9 Trainers, these are high performance aircraft so they will not allow candidates to fly them. This is where the ASP comes in. It will be a computer and simulator based assessment and a tour of the base. I'm unsure if OSB will be in the same week.
Starting 2019 BFTS will be at East sale and all RAAF and RAN pilots students will conduct their training there. Start of 2020 is when RAA students will conduct their training at East Sale.
Hope that helps
JK
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Ahhh...East Sale, commonly known as Pleurisy Plains, just hope for a spring or autumn course, as winter is seriously cold, and in summer the flies from the cow paddocks nearby are infuriating.
