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First: Pilot RAAF (ADFA)
Second: Pilot RAN (ADFA)
Third: Air Combat Officer RAAF (ADFA) (The one I'm going to Canberra for)
Aero Engineering sounds like a pretty heavyweight degree, I'm going for Aviation If you get an offer for Pilot (ADFA) are you still going to do the Aero Engineering or B.Tech Aviation?
Mvdia1, Is your OSB these holidays?
Second: Pilot RAN (ADFA)
Third: Air Combat Officer RAAF (ADFA) (The one I'm going to Canberra for)
Aero Engineering sounds like a pretty heavyweight degree, I'm going for Aviation If you get an offer for Pilot (ADFA) are you still going to do the Aero Engineering or B.Tech Aviation?
Mvdia1, Is your OSB these holidays?
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My dossier has finally been sent to Tamworth lads, in the mix now!
For DEO applicants; what are your thoughts of the competitiveness of the August Flight Screening intakes? Seems like there is limited Flight Screening positions for the remainder of the year to be honest...
For DEO applicants; what are your thoughts of the competitiveness of the August Flight Screening intakes? Seems like there is limited Flight Screening positions for the remainder of the year to be honest...
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Nobody knows, blackbird. The way I see it, we all chose to turn a blind eye to "the chances" when we decided to pursue a career as a pilot, let alone one in the ADF. Statistics of you getting into FSP this year are against you, but that's meaningless, not least of all because the situation in the pool and how it relates to your file is unpredictable and always changing.
If you feel you've got a competitive application then that's the best case scenario given the otherwise complete ambiguity of the process! Good luck, I hope you get your spot.
If you feel you've got a competitive application then that's the best case scenario given the otherwise complete ambiguity of the process! Good luck, I hope you get your spot.
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given the otherwise complete ambiguity of the process
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Use the extra time to your advantage. There are plenty of things that you can study prior to OSB. I'm going to be spending a lot of time on leadership and the theories behind it. If everyone is a good pilot, the interview at the end of the process could be the thing that sets you apart from everyone else. Afterall, when you're in the RAAF as a pilot you're an Officer first and a pilot second.
Another idea could be to get some extra flying in. It doesn't necessarily have to be you flying the plane either. Back seat time in a small aircraft is fantastic to get your head around all sorts of things. This way you will be able to see the bad habits that people get in with their flying and if you already have some flying experience you might find a few techniques to areas that need improvement. I'd suggest finding a flying school or aero-club that has a CPL course attached to it. When I was doing my CPL my instructor encouraged me to take people along because it gave me the chance to practice commercial operations with passengers. So this way you can scratch their back and they can scratch yours. Both you and the student will get something more out of each flight.
Another idea could be to get some extra flying in. It doesn't necessarily have to be you flying the plane either. Back seat time in a small aircraft is fantastic to get your head around all sorts of things. This way you will be able to see the bad habits that people get in with their flying and if you already have some flying experience you might find a few techniques to areas that need improvement. I'd suggest finding a flying school or aero-club that has a CPL course attached to it. When I was doing my CPL my instructor encouraged me to take people along because it gave me the chance to practice commercial operations with passengers. So this way you can scratch their back and they can scratch yours. Both you and the student will get something more out of each flight.
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Nice, I was thinking about putting down for the Aero Engineering course but considering how much I hated math methods at the time I thought again. At the moment I don't think that the Degree preferences have gone in yet, so I'll still leave it open as another option just in case. I'll probably get over my maths phobia at some point.
Heres an interesting question for anyone: what happens if you fail any part of your training after the second year of ADFA/Initial Training? How do you finish your ROSO? Not to be pessimistic or anything but its just a matter of interest.
Heres an interesting question for anyone: what happens if you fail any part of your training after the second year of ADFA/Initial Training? How do you finish your ROSO? Not to be pessimistic or anything but its just a matter of interest.
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@MudRat
I think you might be giving some duf gen. I have counted up the numbers on the past two FSP schedules and they both come to 275. The courses will be run next year and your application doesn't go pumpkin shaped on New Years Eve. So now or later your application has the same chances. Post FSP is probably different.
And where's the info about pool situation being unpredictable coming from? IMHO if you think the chances are against you then your right. If you don't then your right. Either way, if your jawing off about something you know nothing about, you're wrong.
Statistics of you getting into FSP this year are against you, but that's meaningless, not least of all because the situation in the pool and how it relates to your file is unpredictable and always changing
I think you might be giving some duf gen. I have counted up the numbers on the past two FSP schedules and they both come to 275. The courses will be run next year and your application doesn't go pumpkin shaped on New Years Eve. So now or later your application has the same chances. Post FSP is probably different.
And where's the info about pool situation being unpredictable coming from? IMHO if you think the chances are against you then your right. If you don't then your right. Either way, if your jawing off about something you know nothing about, you're wrong.
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And where's the info about pool situation being unpredictable coming from? IMHO if you think the chances are against you then your right. If you don't then your right. Either way, if your jawing off about something you know nothing about, you're wrong.
I think you might be giving some duf gen. I have counted up the numbers on the past two FSP schedules and they both come to 275. The courses will be run next year and your application doesn't go pumpkin shaped on New Years Eve. So now or later your application has the same chances. Post FSP is probably different.
We have no information on anyone's competitiveness, but the fact that DFR continues their Assessment Days all year round (dossiers going to FSP) whereas DEO courses make way ~mid year for ADFA courses (with the exception of a few late DEO courses) suggests that the number of people waiting for spots on DEO FSP builds as ADFA FSP courses begin to move in. Therefore there is a larger pool of applicants and less of a chance of getting in to the later screening courses in between the ADFA lots. Essentially, it would seem that how competitive FSP slots are fluctuates throughout the year. This is a logical assumption based on what facts we have, however I am aware of no reliable source that confirms or denies this.
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It seems a natural progression that all useful threads on any forum become riddled with bullsh*t button pushing comments and 'I know better' arguments... It is one thing that really frustrates me about the internet...
Anyway I thought I'd get back involved seeing as i'm intending to kick my application off again next week. I put it on hold when my file was up at PSA as i felt there were many things i could work on prior to going to flightscreening. Also i wanted to get a bit of a taste of "life" (because school apparently isn't it) i.e. travelling, learning away from school, working, flying etc. And in this quick 7 months since school finished I feel that i've grown much as a person compared to my days at school, and i can only recommend keen school leavers for next year, or even people who left last year do the same.
I'll definetly be going into this again with much greater confidence and even more determination than I previously possessed.
Its good reading that many of you have made it through to flight screening, and even onto training.
All the best to everyone else, and i'll be sure to pass on any advice or insight i gain as i go back for round 2.
On a quick note, i see many of you have done similar after not passing a stage. Has anyone else done the same as I, that is, without a knockback, and then reapplying, and also for such a short time period?
Cheers
Nick
Anyway I thought I'd get back involved seeing as i'm intending to kick my application off again next week. I put it on hold when my file was up at PSA as i felt there were many things i could work on prior to going to flightscreening. Also i wanted to get a bit of a taste of "life" (because school apparently isn't it) i.e. travelling, learning away from school, working, flying etc. And in this quick 7 months since school finished I feel that i've grown much as a person compared to my days at school, and i can only recommend keen school leavers for next year, or even people who left last year do the same.
I'll definetly be going into this again with much greater confidence and even more determination than I previously possessed.
Its good reading that many of you have made it through to flight screening, and even onto training.
All the best to everyone else, and i'll be sure to pass on any advice or insight i gain as i go back for round 2.
On a quick note, i see many of you have done similar after not passing a stage. Has anyone else done the same as I, that is, without a knockback, and then reapplying, and also for such a short time period?
Cheers
Nick
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@ Nick
Couldn't have said it better myself mate! There is way to much dick measuring on this forum, lets keep the comments aimed at helping one another.
It seems a natural progression that all useful threads on any forum become riddled with bullsh*t button pushing comments and 'I know better' arguments... It is one thing that really frustrates me about the internet...
BB14/M91.
Quite true. The only issue is who has the correct info and what relevance that info is. If a poster has the right info should they keep quite so as not be be labelled a dick swinger. This is what causes the dissention, they both think they are right, but there is no need to get nasty about it.
Relevance of info? Who cares if there are 275 spots or 10. You want it you go for it. If you relly want it who cares what the competition is like you go for it (a smart person might think about how to make themselves more competitive to get a spot on FSP)
BTW if there are 275 spot scheduled why aren't 275 screened?
Quite true. The only issue is who has the correct info and what relevance that info is. If a poster has the right info should they keep quite so as not be be labelled a dick swinger. This is what causes the dissention, they both think they are right, but there is no need to get nasty about it.
Relevance of info? Who cares if there are 275 spots or 10. You want it you go for it. If you relly want it who cares what the competition is like you go for it (a smart person might think about how to make themselves more competitive to get a spot on FSP)
BTW if there are 275 spot scheduled why aren't 275 screened?
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I don't mind if someone wants to contradict me, discussion is the purpose of the forums. Speculating as to whether I don't know what I'm talking about or telling me I'm wrong in a post whilst using terms like "might", "probably", and "in my humble opinion" is just a waste of time and doesn't help anybody either.
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@ Mudrat
Just so its clear, I don't think you are one of the instigators of uninformative and malicious posts. I don't want to list names, but there are quite a few people bringing the quality of information on this thread down to an all time low. I just want people to be supportive. Opinions are bound to differ, but let us all just agree to disagree in those cases. We all want the same thing here, so lets help each other.
@ InTheWeeds
It's a hard thing to do, the stresses of scenarios outside your control do tend to take a hold of you. I can personally testify to that. But as you have aptly stated, focusing on the next event in your application allows you to forget about the worries outside of your influence.
SR71
Just so its clear, I don't think you are one of the instigators of uninformative and malicious posts. I don't want to list names, but there are quite a few people bringing the quality of information on this thread down to an all time low. I just want people to be supportive. Opinions are bound to differ, but let us all just agree to disagree in those cases. We all want the same thing here, so lets help each other.
@ InTheWeeds
Concerntrate on the next event (interview, test, flight) work your arse off, if you are good enough you will get the spot. I found that worrying about things on pilot's course that are outside your "sphere of influence" takes up headspace...
SR71
BB14
Agree with your line of thought about being supportive and agree to slightly disagree.
If I see something that has been posted that is incorrect I will attempt to point the right direction. I do not (unless its become personel) state that the poster is wrong and therefore use words like might and probably so as not to offend. Being supportive is giving information that is correct but this will also be slightly different with people interpreting things differently and according to their experience.
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Yes DEO becomes harder to get a spot latter in the year, as you stated, due to more ADFA courses but thats also going to be related to your competitiveness. The other way to look at it is DEO is easier to get on in the first half of the year due to only being DEO courses and you could say you get a double shot at it. ADFA finishes at the end of the year. If your dossier has just arrived at PSA you have the DEO courses coming up plus all the ones next year.
Agree with your line of thought about being supportive and agree to slightly disagree.
If I see something that has been posted that is incorrect I will attempt to point the right direction. I do not (unless its become personel) state that the poster is wrong and therefore use words like might and probably so as not to offend. Being supportive is giving information that is correct but this will also be slightly different with people interpreting things differently and according to their experience.
Mudrat 02
Yes DEO becomes harder to get a spot latter in the year, as you stated, due to more ADFA courses but thats also going to be related to your competitiveness. The other way to look at it is DEO is easier to get on in the first half of the year due to only being DEO courses and you could say you get a double shot at it. ADFA finishes at the end of the year. If your dossier has just arrived at PSA you have the DEO courses coming up plus all the ones next year.
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