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RAAF Flight Screening Programme

Old 4th Jul 2015, 06:14
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FSP Phone Call Waiting Time

Hi All,

I was just wondering what the average waiting time is to get the call for flight screening. I passed my assessment day three months ago with apparently 'flying colours' and I'm applying for the ADFA 2016 intake but I'm yet to hear from PSA. How long did it take you guys to get the call?

Thanks
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Old 10th Jul 2015, 09:19
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MrKhargify,
I had my assessment day around end of Feb, and I got a call to do flight screening for mid July (with about 3 weeks notice). I pushed it back to August though because I couldn't get time off work. I'm DE though.
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Old 10th Jul 2015, 12:27
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Thanks for the info ysdaniels. Just looking at the FSP schedule for 2015 there's a lot more DEO courses than there are ADFA ones, with the first one I would of been able to go on running right now; maybe I wasn't competitive enough to be in the top 9 but it shouldn't be anything to worry about. Interestingly enough, today I got a phone call from DFR (who got a call from PSA) saying I couldn't be selected for a flight screening course at the moment because all of my application forms expired a couple of days ago (automatic after 12 months), so I've resubmitted them all today. Now that I've done that, hopefully I'll get the call sometime around August.

Good luck with yours in August, let us know how it goes
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Old 13th Jul 2015, 07:30
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Mm I'm not sure if you get picked for flight screening by competitiveness. DFR told me once you pass all the stages leading up to flight screening, everyone gets a go at flight screening and that candidates are picked in the order they complete assessment day (I don't know if this is true. DFR also told me I will sit 3 assessment days and 3 OSBs..)
I was also told there was a huge backlog of applicants waiting to do flight screening from last year (for DEO at least) and that's why the gap between assessment day and flight screening is so long right now.
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Old 15th Jul 2015, 05:23
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Oh okay. My case manager is constantly emphasising that flight screening applicants are selected from a pool and only the most competitive get on. It's interesting though, here it says applicants compete for a slot, but yet they have a massive backlog instead of selecting the best applicants for the slots.

Oh well, can't worry about it too much. Just gotta wait.
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Old 17th Jul 2015, 02:35
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Yea no point worrying about what goes on there.
Just have to prepare as best as we can
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Old 18th Jul 2015, 02:28
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it says applicants compete for a slot, but yet they have a massive backlog instead of selecting the best applicants for the slots.

You have lost me here MrKargify.

Applicants compete for a position. Therefore they do select the best applicants. Hence there will be a "backlog" of those who are not very competitive waiting to fill a position.
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Old 19th Jul 2015, 14:30
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Always has me worried

About the selection for aircrew.

Firstly they know when the training schedule starts and how many slots.

Then they know when bods need to enter.

They also know from previous assessments who is likely to make the grade.

Even allowing for errors and other factors they should be able to pick the students that could be likely to pass.

All this stuffing around that goes on does not portray the fact to new officers is the the selectors on the ball.

Shame that this system does not encourage members of the highest quality to come forward early. Some have been in pool for far too long and there needs to be a system where people who are selected get started, and those that are unlikely to make the grade, so somewhere else to fly.

Had many years of flying with many fine aircrew and they do not deserve to be messed around.

Regards

Col
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Old 21st Jul 2015, 10:06
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Col I am not to certain what you mean. Not trying to be a pain in the proverbial.

Training schedule? I guess you mean pilots course. Yes they do know numbers and start dates.

Previous assessment. I guess you mean flight screening. Yes they have graded the bods and have a fair idea of who presents with a fair chance of making it.

Picking students that are likely to pass. Well yes thatís what they aim to do but you cannot lead a horse to water and make it drink. I had two chaps on my pilots course who self-suspended before going solo. Doesnít matter how good you are if you donít apply yourself you wonít make it and applying yourself runs in parallel with motivation. If you run out of steam you wonít apply yourself which means you are out.

I am not to certain how the system doesnít encourage members of the highest quality to come forward means. Are you referring to ADF members or are you meaning the bods off the street. Do they need to make it more attractive for bods off the street. Yep. Typical ADF is starting again to hurt in all areas let alone pilot due lack of applicant. Do they need to make it more attractive for serving members. I donít know. In my time with flying pay and extra leave it was a pretty attractive option compared to other musteringís.

ďSome have been in the pool for far too longĒ Col if you are selected at FSP yes you go in the pool and the best get picked up so I do not understand your line of thought. On the one hand you appear to be saying they are not taking the best people and on the other saying the best people stay in the pool.

Your last line points to serving members being mucked about. As you well know thatís what the ADF does best.
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Old 23rd Jul 2015, 10:52
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finestkid I was referencing the current FSP schedule for 2015 posted by Defence (which can be found here), more specifically the courses at the beginning of the year which say 'OVERFLOW' in the comments. I might be misinterpreting what they mean by overflow as I take it to mean the remaining candidates from last year. But clearly the website states it is a competitive pool for flight screening and so I'm probably wrong in my assumption.
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Old 24th Jul 2015, 08:26
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Col, spoke to my mate and he clarified things.

The overflow is for ADFA. There are way more ADFA applicants than there are spots. So a competitive process. If an ADFA bod missed out and they still wanted to get into ADFA they had to go through the whole process again at recruiting. To alleviate this, PSF has allocated a couple of courses for ADFA at the start of the year for the next year. This does not mean itís still not competitive as a lot still wonít be offered a spot.
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Old 30th Jul 2015, 03:29
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Does anyone know if they accept candidates with amblyopia?

Thanks in advance.
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Old 30th Jul 2015, 10:13
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Hi Thakis,

Looking through HLTHMAN, Vol 1, Chap 6 ANNEX K System specific reasons for rejection - Visual system. Ser. 5.4,You may be acceptable for class 3R or 1 if you do not have significant amblyopia and you meet visual requirements. If you have monocular vision for any reason, you will deemed class 4 and unfit for duty in the military.

I am by no means an expert, and there are pages of reasons for rejection, so don't take my word 100%.

I hope it is not serious mate.

FFFH

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Old 30th Jul 2015, 11:34
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Oh, and is there anyone on here attending flight screening on the 30th Aug?

FFFH
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Old 4th Aug 2015, 09:28
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Anyone scheduled for the August 23rd - September 5th course?
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Old 4th Aug 2015, 09:30
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Good luck in your flight screening on the 30th FFFH.
Anyone here going to flight screening on the 9th of August?
It'd be good to get to know each other before we head up
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Old 4th Aug 2015, 09:50
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Cheers ysdaniels, good luck with yours! send me a PM with how you go.

Philk12 - we may cross paths. all the best for yours!
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Old 9th Aug 2015, 11:43
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Hi all,

First of all, this is a fantastic thread and thanks to all that contribute to it.

I was wondering if anyone would be able to share some solid leadership examples that the army appreciates. I've seen a few people get rejected because of a lack of leadership qualities and hope to ensure that I have this adequately covered before I apply.

Cheers,

Ash
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Old 12th Aug 2015, 01:33
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Hi Ashton,

Leadership in the army is something that is learnt and fine tuned over a very long time. As long as you have the base qualities there, then they can teach you other aspects to help you grow your leadership style into how you want to lead.

Some qualities that I think they would like to see are as follows:

Confidence - They will want to see that you do not shy away and you can get in amongst the group and contribute.

Decisiveness - They will want to see that you can make a decision (either right or wrong).

Ability to listen - As a leader you will have to listen to others to be able to make informed decisions. Listen to your subordinates and commanders. You will use that to grow yourself and your team.

Adaptability - There will always be situations where things do not go according to plan, be flexible, stay calm and re-assess.

These are the main qualities that I think make a good leader. There are many types of leaders, you have to find the style that you think would best suit you! use your strengths and work on your weaknesses.

There is an ARMY LEADERSHIP MANUAL (ALM). I forget the publication number and cant find it on Google but if you type in 'Australian army leadership manual' and select the top result, its not a bad document. If you can get a hold of the ALM it will tell you everything you need to know about what the army is after in a leader.

I hope that helps
FFFH
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Old 14th Aug 2015, 01:20
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Hi All,
Thanks for all the information in this thread.
Just wondering if anyone knows when BFTS (and possibly Flight Screening) will be moving to East Sale? I'm not sure if the bid is all finalised with the "Team 21" and when they will become operational.
Appreciate any information.
Cheers.
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