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Old 30th Jan 2013, 04:41
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G'day Guys,

"Long time reader first time poster"

I have a quick question for you guys. I sat flight screening in 2009 and i achieved an 8/9. On my board i got knocked back as they "want to see me study" and that i have "huge potential" since then I've complete TAFE and a Uni course in aviation. They gave a guy an offer with a 3/9 as he had a 100 UAI at the time. I have always wanted to be a RAAF pilot and the desire is something i just cant shake, as I'm sure is common amongst all of you. I wondering what to do, they said back then, all i had to do is sit the board but i rang up the other day and told me that i have to do the whole lot again which i really don't want to do since i was in the top band and i know they want to see improvement.

Your help would be greatly appreciated.
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Old 30th Jan 2013, 04:46
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G'day Guys,

"Long time reader first time poster"

I have a quick question for you guys. I sat flight screening in 2009 and i achieved an 8/9. On my board i got knocked back as they "want to see me study" and that i have "huge potential" since then I've complete TAFE and a Uni course in aviation. They gave a guy an offer with a 3/9 as he had a 100 UAI at the time. I have always wanted to be a RAAF pilot and the desire is something i just cant shake, as I'm sure is common amongst all of you. I wondering what to do, they said back then, all i had to do is sit the board but i rang up the other day and told me that i have to do the whole lot again which i really don't want to do since i was in the top band and i know they want to see improvement.

Your help would be greatly appreciated.
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Old 30th Jan 2013, 07:16
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Frappe,

I doubt it has much effect in your case as it is only an hour; it may show an interest in aviation but shouldn't have any effect on which group you are put in for flight screening. If you had a few hundred hours on a sim then maybe they would put you in the advanced group.

No doubt there is someone here who can give you the official line on it.

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Old 30th Jan 2013, 10:34
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A24. To the best of my knowledge you do not have to do the whole thing again.

Please explain your 8/9.

If you were applying for ADFA than a good UAI would be preferred but must admit I have never heard of a 100 UAI.
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Old 30th Jan 2013, 12:15
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A24,

It's a pretty easy equation mate:

a. Walk through the door + do what Recruiting says = a pretty good chance of a jersey

or

b. Walk away + give up = nothing

Whether you re-do all of it or just parts will be dictated by current policy and your local recruiting office will be a good place to start. When people say that "motivation" is a big factor, this is exactly what they're talking about.
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Old 30th Jan 2013, 21:02
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A24

What does 8/9 and 3/9 mean?

A UAI of 100 would be extremely rare and I can assure you that those who can achieve a UAI of that level will probably make a very poor pilot. I suggest that the folk at the PSA know this too, so don't be dismayed if your UAI is between 7O - 99. As long as you've applied yourself to study you'll be fine.

As I've said to others on this thread; avoid getting too focussed on one area. Cover all bases with a sound performance and knowledge level.

Ryano's comments are spot on. If you're motivated at the right level, you'll do what ever's required to achieve your aim.
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Old 2nd Feb 2013, 08:39
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They're the final scores awarded to candidates after all of the scores from their sorties have been tallied. That number is then used in conjunction with other numbers and recommendations to determine competitiveness and subsequent offers. 9/9 is the best and 1/9 the worst. It's allegedly a gauge of how well you can do on course but because it's only taken from a short 2 week snippet it does not provide full assurance.

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Old 2nd Feb 2013, 20:41
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According to my enlistment coordinator, RAAF intakes are in January and May (can't help with other services sorry!). Does this answer your question?

Cheers

VS
Thank you. So we need to wait until May.
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Old 3rd Feb 2013, 06:41
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A24 are you there??

I am uncertain just what you are after if anything.

You are talking about the Stanine. If you are an 8 and did not get a nod you must have trod on your proverbial very hard. I doubt very much if a 3 would get a nod and itís not an offer, just a recommendation.
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Old 4th Feb 2013, 05:49
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Right guys, I have been attempting to organise a visit to the local RAAF base, on contacting the base I was informed that I would have to arrange it through my case manager (?), although this has not yet been successful.

Has anyone else successfully arranged a visit to a base and if so was it via the Defence Careers Office or a contact at the base?

In the meantime I will continue to try the Defence Careers Office.....
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Old 4th Feb 2013, 06:40
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Has anyone else successfully arranged a visit to a base
Yes. I found a helpful likeminded individual who was happy to chat on the phone and then organised a base vist for me.

You'll have to find someone in your chosen role. Perhaps check out your local heritage centre, or speak to someone in uniform at DFR or recruitment seminar.

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Old 5th Feb 2013, 11:29
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Hey folks,

I applied for Direct Entry Pilot early last year which resulted in a 12 month wait as I didn't pass Assessment Day (though he only applied it for officer entry, and he encouraged me to go for a general entry position if I wished). I was going for ACO in the beginning as top preference with Pilot being my third (I was always interested in being a Pilot, but all I knew was how competitive it was and before I did further research and found out that it wasn't so unrealistic to gain entry).

I completed my Aircrew testing and came out as one of the four to succeed out of the 10 (2 applying for Pilot, Myself for ACO, and one who I believe was going for ATC, though I could be wrong). When my Case Manager contacted me in regards to my results, he suggested that I should change my preferences to Pilot being first, ACO being second, and removing my general entry application, which I did. Knowing that my motivation was going to be a very important component to be assessed, this change of preferences was a glaringly big weakness when it came to my interviews. I did a few hours flying and studied this site (and others) in the time between my YOU session and Assessment Day, but I imagine it was too little, too late.

Anyway, I got through my psych without any problems and I felt as though I managed to talk my way through most of the issues in the interview, but it quite basically boiled down to a lack of management experience. Although he didn't state it, I also believe motivation was a let down (I previously dropped out of university years ago. Primarily because my current work gave far better opportunities in the time I would have spent studying to complete my degree. I explained it in detail and he was convinced. It wasn't ideal but he was content with the circumstances.)

I'll be reapplying very soon, and in that time I've picked up a management position at my workplace (20~ I'm directly responsible for, 130~ employees at our location, 200,000+ nationwide), a Cert IV in Frontline Management and Cert IV in Training & Assessment (both paid by myself), and plan to continue on to a Diploma in Management.

Realistically, would this work well for me and get me through to Flight Screening? My interviewer stated that my lack of management experience was basically what let me down and although my knowledge and experience in other areas were good (and he stated that the results from my aircrew assessment made me very competitive), he said both he and I would get chewed up by the OSB if they got an applicant going for a direct entry officer position who had no management experience.

Could I hazard a guess that direct entry candidates are held to a different (not higher or lower) standard than ADFA applicants?

Thanks in advance guys, and good luck to any future applicants.
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Old 6th Feb 2013, 00:05
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DBD,

You're on the right track buddy.
Listen to what the interviewer's tell you and address your weaknesses.
Common sense really.

If you're in charge of 130 or so people, then that's an EXCELLENT start.

ADFA and DE are assessed differently and for good reason. An ADFA candidate is generally still in year 12 and thus has not had the opportunity to gain general life experience such as that you're getting now. As such the interview board is likely to pay less attention to those kinds of issues. Each applicant is an individual and considered on a case by case basis. Thus you're all running your own race really. Be grateful for the feedback the DI/Psych gave you and use this wisely to maximise your performance next time.
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Old 6th Feb 2013, 08:31
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Thanks Winged Wombat.

I accepted the fact I didn't exactly have what it took to be selected at that particular time and it was more of a point of curiosity to see where I stood (but I still gave it a good go and was very surprised with how far I got.) The latter part of the interview where it came quite obvious that it would be the end of the road for this attempt, I shifted to asking him what were the issues and how I could rectify them. They were very helpful and I was very pleased with the outcome.

That's what I thought in regards to the difference between ADFA and DE. I imagine it's a bit of a bummer that I'm not degree qualified, but I imagine my practical experience and knowledge can pull me through. Though, I imagine if I was pressured to seek a degree level qualification that I could seek RPL's with my prior qualifications towards a Bachelor of Business... I explained to my interviewer that I was aware of higher education opportunities through Open University so I imagine that would be a reason why it didn't come up... or they were saving that to drill me at OSB, hahah.
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Old 6th Mar 2013, 02:58
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Where did A24 go?
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Old 6th Mar 2013, 07:00
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WW

Very possibly a good indication of why he was not given the nod
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Old 7th Mar 2013, 04:56
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Hey guys,

After a 4 week delay due to a minor medical issue my file's been sent off to PSA. Anybody currently waiting for a slot at flight screening or have a rough idea of how long it might take? How long's a piece of string seems to be the general guideline.. The chap who did my assessment day interview seemed to think those who have flying experience get streamed off first... Can anyone confirm this?

Cheers
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Old 7th Mar 2013, 06:34
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Originally Posted by stoneley44
Hey guys,

After a 4 week delay due to a minor medical issue my file's been sent off to PSA. Anybody currently waiting for a slot at flight screening or have a rough idea of how long it might take? How long's a piece of string seems to be the general guideline.. The chap who did my assessment day interview seemed to think those who have flying experience get streamed off first... Can anyone confirm this?

Cheers
Gday stoneley,

We're in a similar boat it seems! I've just handed all my medical results off to DFR to have my medical status determined and awaiting a response before my file is sent to PSA.

My understanding is that PSA select candidates from the top of the list of recommended applicants to fill each individual course, where a candidates rank is determined by a number of criteria (of which flight motivation is one) and qualitative comments by your defence interviewer. Flight experience indicates motivation so it is probably desirable to have this (but doesn't necessarily infer any advantage at FSP or during training), however motivation can also be expressed in other ways so it is not the be-all and end-all. Your name will remain in the pool for 12 months or until your rank falls within range of selection and you are sent a letter of acceptance to FSP.

Your enlistment coordinator should be able to confirm your competitiveness in relation to other candidates and where you sit on the list (I'm pretty sure anyway), short of this I've heard of people calling PSA directly to find out.

Hope this helped!

Cheers,

VS

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Old 7th Mar 2013, 07:33
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Hey Stoneley,

I have also had my file sent to PSA recently. As VS said, the time taken for them to send you a letter of invitation depends on how high they rank you.

My enlistment coordinator said that I would probably hear from the PSA before she did, so I suggest you call the RAAF switchboard on 1300 333 362 and ask them to connect you to PSA where you can ask them how your file is doing.

Hopefully see you and VS at Tamworth soon!
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Old 8th Mar 2013, 01:36
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Stoneley,

VS has summarised it very nicely. There's probably not much you can do now but wait and hope that you become competitive to be invited to the FSP.

Don't waste your time though. Start preparing for the Officer Selection Board. Procrastination is never rewarded in this game and as I say, "You make your own luck" through hard work, a determined approach and detailed preparation.

WW
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