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Old 10th Aug 2012, 04:46
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ADF Pilot Screening Tamworth

Hi all,

I have just completed the FSP at Tamworth and one of the things discovered there in relation to Army pilot sitting height was that its ben changed so no linger is the 95cm height critical. You might need to rethink your preferneces based on this.

There is much i learned from the 2 weeks so if your keen for any inside tips on the training and what to expect incl the OSB then feel free to email me at
[email protected]

Mark
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Old 10th Aug 2012, 04:55
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Latest offers

Just got back from FSP:
20th November offers are for all services (year end)
15 RAAF
6 Army
4 RAN

Bear in mind as at 2 weeks ago there were 45 in the pool with another 60 people to go through screeningsoooo unless your a high -recommended you might not get in in november

Next round is April
25 RAAF
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Old 11th Aug 2012, 03:39
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Hey markoshark
I'm not sure if they spoke to you about this at FSP,but giving giving out hints and inside tips on what goes on at flight screening is only watering down your own chances of gaining a place in your chosen service and that of the other 45 or so that are still In the pool !!
With places being so limited and the numbers of screeners still to come id be personally keeping tight lipped to give myself the best possible chance !!
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Old 12th Aug 2012, 04:35
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Yeah that might be relevant if i did get recommended !

I am just happy to help people out so whether thats good or bad i really dont care... I had some help but i wish i had had more. the defence personel are getting plenty !

My new blog site fo those who want help is below:
http://flightscreeningprogramtamworth.********.com.au/
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Old 12th Aug 2012, 04:57
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Marko,
Ten out of ten for wanting to help your mates, but Ds has a very good point.

For all that are trying to get in- do the work yourself. I have never trusted any work (except the manuals obviously) but my own when it comes to preparation for any sortie. All due respect to Marko, but can you put your hand on your heart and say your notes are 100% accurate?

Cheers,

OP
(ex BFTS)
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Old 12th Aug 2012, 05:07
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Oh, and learn how to spell.
Not you, OP! Anyway aren't you far too busy to have time to poke around on PPRuNe?!.

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Old 12th Aug 2012, 06:33
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CSD- Well it is Sunday!

Would have thought they'd have you flying on a Sunday- being at the centre of excellence and all
Back to flying real aircraft soon....
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Old 12th Aug 2012, 09:44
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Hi Marko,

To be honest, I am really disappointed that you would make a post such as this. There are people who have worked their asses off to get recommended and whilst you didn't, after a post such as this I can understand why.

You are putting every applicant that has been recommended and is currently sitting in the pool at a disadvantage by posting this - and I am sure the majority of them are not currently serving.

If maturity was a factor I am sure you failed on that one!

One of the other things they look for is being able to following instruction, something that once again you have failed in.

Whilst I can understand your disappointment, you are doing the same thing.......if not worse then the people you thought had an advantage over you.

Liz
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Old 12th Aug 2012, 10:39
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Have a little cry

I'm sorry Liz, you do seem very mature yourself. You obviously missed the fact that plenty of applicants are ADF (half of my course). Is is fair that they have an advantage over every other applicant by having the mass brief contents to learn months before the FSP ? Yeah no, i dont think so.... I assume your in the pool and are having a little cry about missing out on a position . Well hate to disappoint you but if you didn't get a high rec your probably not going to get a position anyway.

What i am doing is trying to level the playing field for non-ADF people like me. if that is putting 45 people in the pool under some extra pressure then fine.
Grow up and put the benefit of many before the benefit of the few, yourself included !
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Old 12th Aug 2012, 10:59
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Obviously their screening process is working.
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Old 12th Aug 2012, 11:27
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Integrity, honesty, professionalism ..... (not worth the effort to carry on with the list as it obviously will mean nothing to you). As Wag pointed out there is an obvious reason why some do not get recommended. As far as half the applicants being ADF, well if the rest of what you have to offer is this accurate then there will be no issues. Combined with the ADF applicants get the Mass Briefs months before is total drivel.
What is the many?? The ones that require extra help to get a recommendation? These are the people you want the many to use their taxes to pay for the below par to get a recommendation and make if half way through and then be suspended.
At you age one would expect a certain amount of life experience which would hopefully consolidate a base of maturity combined with some ethical aspects that would reflect some of the above mentioned attributes. Not to belabour a point but it looks like the OSB got it right with you.
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Old 12th Aug 2012, 12:15
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Alternatively you could do what all good pilots do, learn from your mistakes, dump the blog and carry on. Re the mass briefs, as they don't exist on the defense network, rather the contractors, any widespread conspiracy theory of people getting all the info is pretty unlikely. Pm me if you want to discuss
Cheers,
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Old 13th Aug 2012, 03:28
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I wouldn't be too concerned about this so called blog. There is no magic gouge for FSP, especially from someone who didn't make it. It's like the guy on pilots course who thinks back running will make it easier as all his mates have been there before. They still get scrubbed.
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Old 13th Aug 2012, 04:46
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I dont have a problem with Markoshark giving advice or writing a blog or doing whatever he wants to be honest, its a free world after all. I went on PSF a month ago and come out with a recommendation. I dont think having advice would have helped that much, after all your the one that needs to do the work/ flying and pass the interview. What about the books about becoming an ADF pilot such as 'Wings'? Does that give people an unfair advantage? What about applicants that dont know anyone in the ADF and going in their blind compared to someone who has a mate in the ADF or just done the screening process? I think if people go to the effort to find as much as possible about they have to do should have an advantage compared to someone who does not put in the leg work. At the end of the day it comes down to your ability, you could know everything at PSF before hand and still not get through and vice versa. Hopefully the process works so people that get through make it all the way. I look forward to reading your blog Markoshark, the link did not work.

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Old 13th Aug 2012, 04:51
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Also OP, I believe the ADF guys on course had access to the BTFT manuals ect. I dont think it was the mass briefings. I dont think the BFTS manuals would have been much use after all its alot of information to go through. Also nothing stopping people photocopying the mass briefs and putting them online, surprised it has not happened already. Probably why they are not very useful!!

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Old 13th Aug 2012, 04:56
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I dont have a problem with Markoshark giving advice or writing a blog or doing whatever he wants to be honest, its a free world after all. I went on PSF a month ago and come out with a recommendation. I dont think having advice would have helped that much, after all your the one that needs to do the work/ flying and pass the interview. What about the books about becoming an ADF pilot such as 'Wings'? Does that give people an unfair advantage? What about applicants that dont know anyone in the ADF and going in their blind compared to someone who has a mate in the ADF or just done the screening process? I think if people go to the effort to find as much as possible about they have to do should have an advantage compared to someone who does not put in the leg work. At the end of the day it comes down to your ability, you could know everything at PSF before hand and still not get through and vice versa. Hopefully the process works so people that get through make it all the way. I look forward to reading your blog Markoshark, the link did not work.

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Old 13th Aug 2012, 05:19
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I also think that this thread should not be used to have a go at people. You dont know why Markoshark didnt get a recommendation. Fair enough have your own opinion about him giving advice, but its easy to call names over the internet when you dont even know the guy. I hope this is not a sign of what the ADF is like if I get in.

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Old 13th Aug 2012, 05:56
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FC

By Marko

Yeah that might be relevant if i did get recommended !
Gives an indication of not necessarily helping others but just diluting the whole process because he didn't make it. Your backing this guy because?????

As much as you like to think its a free world its not. Apart from many other restrictions, is the prime one of responsibility. In particular taking responsibility for your actions. As Marko is finding out there are a lot of people who believe in doing the right thing, which is what has been requested of them in a professional setting. There is no way you could justify, as has been attempted, that what Marko is doing is trying to help others. It is naive to thinks other's have not discussed what happens at FSP but the majority don't shout it from the roof tops trying to mask it by advocating they are helping the many.

Yes this IS the ADF you are getting into, unfortunately not as stringent as it was 10 + years ago. You do not want people you cannot trust on your wing. If Marko is big enough to have a crack at someone without having met them, assume your in the pool and having a little cry on missing out, then he is big enough to take the responsibility for the reaction it has caused.
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Old 13th Aug 2012, 08:32
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So your saying that he is motivated by trying to get more people in to try and dilute the pool which is not benefit or disadvantage to him? I would see it more as trying to help people who dont have access to people in the know. He is using this own time and not getting much out of helping random people. I dont think this is a case of being right/ wrong or a matter of trust. I dont see a great advantage in knowing what you are doing for two weeks at PSF. Its not that Im backing Markoshark, I just dont agree with what your saying and voicing my opinion which I am entitled to in our democratic society and free world. My comment about 'having a crack' went both ways, I dont think anyone should have a go at people they dont know and never meet just because they have different point of views.

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Old 13th Aug 2012, 10:25
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More than enough information in this thread to give you guys an advantage over those who don't read it.

The notes on that blog were dodgy at best and merely contained the insights of an outsider who obviously does not fully understand the recruitment process.

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