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I will be completely honest but I am just frustrated that this is an issue at all...I would say tht someone who has asthma is at more of a risk than me and they can get into the Air force.....
Guess I will just see what they say and hope to god they say it's fine!!
Guess I will just see what they say and hope to god they say it's fine!!
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GFW, just to close the RAF side of things, the limiting medical criteria, set out in law include:
"you suffer from asthma, or have done in the last four years"
"If you suffer severe allergic reactions that mean you need to take adrenaline injection precautions, you cannot join the RAF. You cannot join if you have a nut allergy."
http://www.raf.mod.uk/careers/istherafforme/health.cfm
The British Army is rather coy about medical standards
There are many medical conditions that are not compatible with Army service. Recruiting staff have access to this information, but generally, you should not have a medical history of any problem that interferes with a physically and mentally demanding occupation or is likely to be made worse by it.
Your application will be rejected if you fail to meet the minimum acceptable medical standard for entry.
http://www.armyjobs.mod.uk/RegularAr...sical/Soldier/
The Royal Navy is more forthright but does not make specific mention of nuts.
http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/server/...changeNav/3533
Then nearer home there is this:
People with asthma are excluded from some occupations, including service in the Australian Defence Force, and asthma can be exacerbated by some occupations, making it desirable to identify currently active asthma and assess its severity in potential entrants
http://www.defence.gov.au/dpe/dhs/in...3_2_77-85.html
"you suffer from asthma, or have done in the last four years"
"If you suffer severe allergic reactions that mean you need to take adrenaline injection precautions, you cannot join the RAF. You cannot join if you have a nut allergy."
http://www.raf.mod.uk/careers/istherafforme/health.cfm
The British Army is rather coy about medical standards
There are many medical conditions that are not compatible with Army service. Recruiting staff have access to this information, but generally, you should not have a medical history of any problem that interferes with a physically and mentally demanding occupation or is likely to be made worse by it.
Your application will be rejected if you fail to meet the minimum acceptable medical standard for entry.
http://www.armyjobs.mod.uk/RegularAr...sical/Soldier/
The Royal Navy is more forthright but does not make specific mention of nuts.
http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/server/...changeNav/3533
Then nearer home there is this:
People with asthma are excluded from some occupations, including service in the Australian Defence Force, and asthma can be exacerbated by some occupations, making it desirable to identify currently active asthma and assess its severity in potential entrants
http://www.defence.gov.au/dpe/dhs/in...3_2_77-85.html
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Honesty and Integrity
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Dude ponder this for a moment, you are travelling in my aircraft after staging through an Asian country, where we picked up the cheapest fresh rations, production standards are dubious to say the least. Whilst halfway across vast ocean/desert you have an attack that one pen will not prevent but you need additional care, who will your family sue for duty of care, when I dispatch you so we can carry on with the mission???
Be honest and let the professionals decide referring you to the two qualities we look for in our officers above. The ratpacks now come in halaal and weird veggie flavours, I was always curious as to was there any real meat in them anyhow
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Dude ponder this for a moment, you are travelling in my aircraft after staging through an Asian country, where we picked up the cheapest fresh rations, production standards are dubious to say the least. Whilst halfway across vast ocean/desert you have an attack that one pen will not prevent but you need additional care, who will your family sue for duty of care, when I dispatch you so we can carry on with the mission???
Be honest and let the professionals decide referring you to the two qualities we look for in our officers above. The ratpacks now come in halaal and weird veggie flavours, I was always curious as to was there any real meat in them anyhow
Charlie sends
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I'm applying for Pilot and so far so good. One of my great fears was that they might unearth something medical, something i didn't know about as it is always a possibility. Hope it works out for you as I know we'd all rather be knocked back due to not trying hard enough rather than a medical condition. You can always try harder but medical conditions stick, well most of them anyway.
Try the aussie cadet forums. Here is the link to the Defence force careers section of the cadet forum.
http://bb.aafc.org.au/phpbb/
Post something in there to see what others experienced or search through this forum as you may find something. You have to register to search the forums, took me a while to figure that one out.
The ADF careers website is www.defencejobs.gov.au though i don't think you will find an extensive account of the medical requirements as there are an endless number of medical conditions.
Try the aussie cadet forums. Here is the link to the Defence force careers section of the cadet forum.
http://bb.aafc.org.au/phpbb/
Post something in there to see what others experienced or search through this forum as you may find something. You have to register to search the forums, took me a while to figure that one out.
The ADF careers website is www.defencejobs.gov.au though i don't think you will find an extensive account of the medical requirements as there are an endless number of medical conditions.
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Aust. Defence Force - FSP and OSB
Hi,
I was recently successful at my Assessment Day to join the ADF as a pilot and recommended for the PSA. I was just curious if anyone has any hints, tips or advice on what I should do or study for my FSP and OSB, and whether anyone has actually been through it all.
Any comments appreciated.
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Ben
I was recently successful at my Assessment Day to join the ADF as a pilot and recommended for the PSA. I was just curious if anyone has any hints, tips or advice on what I should do or study for my FSP and OSB, and whether anyone has actually been through it all.
Any comments appreciated.
Regards
Ben
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Ben I can't give specifics about your process, but here are some points about selection boards in general.
First of all be yourself; don't bung on an act, no matter how good you were in year 9 drama classes. They're trying to get a measure of the real you.
There will be a mixture of written work, speaking in front of an audience, team exercises, sample PFA (ie pushups, situps & beep test), interview with the board itself, and informal chitchat. You're being watched.
Don't worry too much about this process. The best advice is to relax a little (don't be lazy and goof around, I mean don't worry yourself silly and get nervous). If you aren't into current affairs (real current affairs - not tabloid 6:30pm television shows) then do some reading - SMH, Age, Australian ... The Economist ... etc.
The final tip is not to treat this as a contest between you and the other candidates. Quite to the contrary - teamwork and support is vital.
Good luck.
First of all be yourself; don't bung on an act, no matter how good you were in year 9 drama classes. They're trying to get a measure of the real you.
There will be a mixture of written work, speaking in front of an audience, team exercises, sample PFA (ie pushups, situps & beep test), interview with the board itself, and informal chitchat. You're being watched.
Don't worry too much about this process. The best advice is to relax a little (don't be lazy and goof around, I mean don't worry yourself silly and get nervous). If you aren't into current affairs (real current affairs - not tabloid 6:30pm television shows) then do some reading - SMH, Age, Australian ... The Economist ... etc.
The final tip is not to treat this as a contest between you and the other candidates. Quite to the contrary - teamwork and support is vital.
Good luck.
Hi Ben,
I only got back from Tamworth recently and had a great time over there with a good group of guys.
To add to what Like This Do That said, be yourself and don't BS to the board - these guys are experts at detecting it. They will put you under pressure and how you react to it will be more important than providing any 'right' answer in many situations. Of course common sense prevails.
Also ask yourself if you really want to be an ADF pilot and an officer, along with what this entails (working away from home for long periods of time, getting shot at, killing people and breaking things etc.) If not then they will probably recommend flying for QANTAS. And if you're married make sure you and your better half understand what this choice of lifestyle entails.
And finally - the Navy (and Army) are pushing hard for pilots, so I'd suggest reading up on choppers if you would consider this option. Otherwise you lose 2/3 of the chances of entering the ADF as a pilot.
Regards,
Formski (waiting for an offer now...)
I only got back from Tamworth recently and had a great time over there with a good group of guys.
To add to what Like This Do That said, be yourself and don't BS to the board - these guys are experts at detecting it. They will put you under pressure and how you react to it will be more important than providing any 'right' answer in many situations. Of course common sense prevails.
Also ask yourself if you really want to be an ADF pilot and an officer, along with what this entails (working away from home for long periods of time, getting shot at, killing people and breaking things etc.) If not then they will probably recommend flying for QANTAS. And if you're married make sure you and your better half understand what this choice of lifestyle entails.
And finally - the Navy (and Army) are pushing hard for pilots, so I'd suggest reading up on choppers if you would consider this option. Otherwise you lose 2/3 of the chances of entering the ADF as a pilot.
Regards,
Formski (waiting for an offer now...)
In previous post on same topic i commented that as great as it might be you just cant prepare for tamworth.
you get put in a situation which demands high levels of performance at a very high rate of learning. It is not easy but when its all over it is the best 2 weeks ever.
I was fortunate to be in a group where we all got on very well. I think this helped everyone on the course. I back up the previous post, If you go into it treating everyone as competition and not a team mate then you will do worse. Thats all i can advise you of.
Enjoy, give it your best and you cant complain about the outcome. Concur about Navy/Army. Nearly everyone has RAAF as first preference. Unelss you score 3.0 or more I would seriously consider nominating RAN or Army as first preference.
you get put in a situation which demands high levels of performance at a very high rate of learning. It is not easy but when its all over it is the best 2 weeks ever.
I was fortunate to be in a group where we all got on very well. I think this helped everyone on the course. I back up the previous post, If you go into it treating everyone as competition and not a team mate then you will do worse. Thats all i can advise you of.
Enjoy, give it your best and you cant complain about the outcome. Concur about Navy/Army. Nearly everyone has RAAF as first preference. Unelss you score 3.0 or more I would seriously consider nominating RAN or Army as first preference.
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Formski and Joker89,
Once again thanks heaps for the reply.
I've taken all the info onboard. I've been recommended for all my 3 preferences which are RAAf, Army, Navy pilots and I'm willing to accept any. Sounds like the FSP is very much a team based program. I'm looking forward to it. Formski, Good luck and I hope you get an offer and thanks again Joker89.
Once again thanks heaps for the reply.
I've taken all the info onboard. I've been recommended for all my 3 preferences which are RAAf, Army, Navy pilots and I'm willing to accept any. Sounds like the FSP is very much a team based program. I'm looking forward to it. Formski, Good luck and I hope you get an offer and thanks again Joker89.
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When I attended we were sent a two page debrief after the fact, and the numerical mark was on the second page of this. It could have changed since then. We were told that a 5 was a walk on water ready made officer, and anything over a 2 was a pass.
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To answer Flatus' question on officer promotion in the RNZAF; it might have changed and Kiwichick can probably bring it up to date, but P/o to F/o was automatic after one year, F/o to Flt Lt was by exams and time, and Flt Lt to Sqn Ldr was by attendance at the [then] RNZAF Command and Staff College. All would-be Sqn Ldrs had to go there, except doctors and padres, and I had two pilots, two navs, and a trick cyclist on mine! I believe the Staff Course is now 'purple' and has been relocated to near Wellington.
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RAAF Aptitude Testing
Hi all,
I'm going in soon to do my pilot specific aptitude testing, having passed the initial aptitude test back in '05.
I'm looking for some direction, what is involved, and what I should do to prepare to give myself the best possible chance of success.
I've searched and found a few threads, but most seem to be outdated at this point. One by Hornetboy here http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...ptitude&page=9 was pretty helpful, and I read through the entire thing.
Some basic history on myself: I am 24 now, I applied in '05 as Pilot first preference and Undergrad Engineer 2nd preference for the RAAF. I passed the aptitude tests, then I removed my first preference for Pilot as I didn't believe I had the academic record to get past the recruitment stage, and I didn't want to wait another 6 months to reapply as an undergrad engineer.
Long story short, things happened, my undergrad engy application was postponed for various reasons, and I found myself falling out of love with engineering and my marks started slipping. I decided to take some time off, was offered a student engineer position at a large automotive company, and thought it was the perfect opportunity to regain my enthusiasm for engineering. Unfortunately, it has had the opposite effect, and I find myself certain that I don't want to be an engineer.
As long as I can remember I have wanted to be a RAAF pilot, and the only thing that has held me back from applying is my academic record. My marks aren't fantastic, entirely from a lack of motivation and application on my part (which is evidenced by the many HD's at TAFE and uni in the courses that interested me, and the bare passes in the ones that didn't).
I grew up as a RAAF brat, my dad was an electrical engineer in the RAAF for 22 years. Most of my mates at school's parents, almost all of my parents friends are current or ex-RAAF officers. My earliest memory as a child is when I was 1 or 2 years old, in the backyard of our house on the base at Williamstown, and looking up as the Hornets flew over. I went camping with my dad and a couple of his mates (one current RAAF officer, one french army officer) about a month back, and sat around the fire drinking and listening to their stories, and I know that in 30 years time, that is where I want to be, so I decided to continue my application as a pilot. If I don't get in, I'll change my degree to Aerospace, HD every subject, and reapply.
If anyone wants to give me some information on life as a Pilot, or anything that may be beneficial to me during the process, please feel free to post or PM.
Cheers
I'm going in soon to do my pilot specific aptitude testing, having passed the initial aptitude test back in '05.
I'm looking for some direction, what is involved, and what I should do to prepare to give myself the best possible chance of success.
I've searched and found a few threads, but most seem to be outdated at this point. One by Hornetboy here http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...ptitude&page=9 was pretty helpful, and I read through the entire thing.
Some basic history on myself: I am 24 now, I applied in '05 as Pilot first preference and Undergrad Engineer 2nd preference for the RAAF. I passed the aptitude tests, then I removed my first preference for Pilot as I didn't believe I had the academic record to get past the recruitment stage, and I didn't want to wait another 6 months to reapply as an undergrad engineer.
Long story short, things happened, my undergrad engy application was postponed for various reasons, and I found myself falling out of love with engineering and my marks started slipping. I decided to take some time off, was offered a student engineer position at a large automotive company, and thought it was the perfect opportunity to regain my enthusiasm for engineering. Unfortunately, it has had the opposite effect, and I find myself certain that I don't want to be an engineer.
As long as I can remember I have wanted to be a RAAF pilot, and the only thing that has held me back from applying is my academic record. My marks aren't fantastic, entirely from a lack of motivation and application on my part (which is evidenced by the many HD's at TAFE and uni in the courses that interested me, and the bare passes in the ones that didn't).
I grew up as a RAAF brat, my dad was an electrical engineer in the RAAF for 22 years. Most of my mates at school's parents, almost all of my parents friends are current or ex-RAAF officers. My earliest memory as a child is when I was 1 or 2 years old, in the backyard of our house on the base at Williamstown, and looking up as the Hornets flew over. I went camping with my dad and a couple of his mates (one current RAAF officer, one french army officer) about a month back, and sat around the fire drinking and listening to their stories, and I know that in 30 years time, that is where I want to be, so I decided to continue my application as a pilot. If I don't get in, I'll change my degree to Aerospace, HD every subject, and reapply.
If anyone wants to give me some information on life as a Pilot, or anything that may be beneficial to me during the process, please feel free to post or PM.
Cheers
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No Raafies around anymore?
Does anyone know the name of a flight school in or around Melbourne that has former RAAF instructors? I want to get a few hours logged to get a feel for it, and make sure this is what I really want.
Does anyone know the name of a flight school in or around Melbourne that has former RAAF instructors? I want to get a few hours logged to get a feel for it, and make sure this is what I really want.
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Ritero, I am currently in a similar position to you, though 4 years your senior, still studying mech engineering part time but soon to get some flying hours under my belt before putting in my application early in the new year.
Having had to do a heap of research and not always getting consistent answers on some of my questions, my best advice to you at this point is to talk to as many people as possible, especially pilots who have just been accepted into a service. Your recruiter should be able to connect you with one such pilot and they will be able to answer most of your questions.
I too have previously done the basic aptitude testing and my first attempt at the pilot specific aptitude test. I failed the first attempt for the same reason Hornetboy failed his, ie the instrument reading. I knew I did well but unfortunately I didnt complete it fast enough and that was enough to knock me out.
Don't know if you will get many replies for your thread so your best bet is to read carefully what has been brought up in the previous posts about recruitment and aptitude, I would have to say it sounds spot on but I also would be very keen to get some fresh posts on the topic from anyone who has successfully reached the flight screening and beyond.
Might pay you to consider gliding over powered flight. This is a point that seems to keep coming back to me as forced landings and basic aeronautics and instrument reading are something that will impress where as powered flight will limit you to 20hours flight time IF you want to be assessed at a basic level duing the flight screening. Gliding hours don't have to be recorded towards your official flight time from what I have heard (please, anyone correct me if I am wrong!).
Depending on your confidence and verbal delivery in front of others, you might want to consider something like toastmasters as this is also looked upon favourably.
If you have any specific questions, I am happy to try answering them but I am affraid my knowledge is limited to what I have heard from others.
Good luck =)
Having had to do a heap of research and not always getting consistent answers on some of my questions, my best advice to you at this point is to talk to as many people as possible, especially pilots who have just been accepted into a service. Your recruiter should be able to connect you with one such pilot and they will be able to answer most of your questions.
I too have previously done the basic aptitude testing and my first attempt at the pilot specific aptitude test. I failed the first attempt for the same reason Hornetboy failed his, ie the instrument reading. I knew I did well but unfortunately I didnt complete it fast enough and that was enough to knock me out.
Don't know if you will get many replies for your thread so your best bet is to read carefully what has been brought up in the previous posts about recruitment and aptitude, I would have to say it sounds spot on but I also would be very keen to get some fresh posts on the topic from anyone who has successfully reached the flight screening and beyond.
Might pay you to consider gliding over powered flight. This is a point that seems to keep coming back to me as forced landings and basic aeronautics and instrument reading are something that will impress where as powered flight will limit you to 20hours flight time IF you want to be assessed at a basic level duing the flight screening. Gliding hours don't have to be recorded towards your official flight time from what I have heard (please, anyone correct me if I am wrong!).
Depending on your confidence and verbal delivery in front of others, you might want to consider something like toastmasters as this is also looked upon favourably.
If you have any specific questions, I am happy to try answering them but I am affraid my knowledge is limited to what I have heard from others.
Good luck =)
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Thanks Snoopy. Let me know how you go.
I have asked one of my dad's mates if he can put me in contact with any pilots, as he's a former nav turned mahogany bomber pilot.
I was considering gliding. I don't want to get any "training" as such on a plane, I just want to get up in the air a bit, take over the controls, learn about instruments and take off and landing etc. I am 99% sure this is what I want to do, but without ever having been behind the stick, how can I say for sure? I wouldn't get 20 hours anyway, because I am currently a uni student who lives out of home and pays his own way, so my current cash flow wouldn't allow a large amount of time in the air. As it is, it is going to take a fairly strong commitment to get me in the air at all.
My questions are the same as yours; the majority of the posts on this forum refer to RAAF recruitment 4 or more years ago, so what has changed? Is there anyone who has gone through it recently, or is currently going through it?
Quick edit: For the record, I'm not after any information on anything that you are forbidden to reveal by way of the confidentiality agreement.
I have asked one of my dad's mates if he can put me in contact with any pilots, as he's a former nav turned mahogany bomber pilot.
I was considering gliding. I don't want to get any "training" as such on a plane, I just want to get up in the air a bit, take over the controls, learn about instruments and take off and landing etc. I am 99% sure this is what I want to do, but without ever having been behind the stick, how can I say for sure? I wouldn't get 20 hours anyway, because I am currently a uni student who lives out of home and pays his own way, so my current cash flow wouldn't allow a large amount of time in the air. As it is, it is going to take a fairly strong commitment to get me in the air at all.
My questions are the same as yours; the majority of the posts on this forum refer to RAAF recruitment 4 or more years ago, so what has changed? Is there anyone who has gone through it recently, or is currently going through it?
Quick edit: For the record, I'm not after any information on anything that you are forbidden to reveal by way of the confidentiality agreement.
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HELP for specific pilot testing
Hey Guys,
I've been searching day and night for the last couple of weeks for guidance for my upcoming pilot specific testing for the RAAF. As far as i know the day consists of 2 x mathematic tests, a psychological test, aircraft attitude test, instrument test, coordination test and an essay. I have only recently completed JOES day and took one math test and aptitude test, now i found that fairly straight forward. Advice from anyone relating to my upcoming test would be much appreciated!
Regards,
Mark
I've been searching day and night for the last couple of weeks for guidance for my upcoming pilot specific testing for the RAAF. As far as i know the day consists of 2 x mathematic tests, a psychological test, aircraft attitude test, instrument test, coordination test and an essay. I have only recently completed JOES day and took one math test and aptitude test, now i found that fairly straight forward. Advice from anyone relating to my upcoming test would be much appreciated!
Regards,
Mark