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RAAF Flight Screening Program (Merged)

Old 3rd Jul 2018, 05:11
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Yeah you only need smart casual for your arrival and for breakfast the day you leave.
Some friendly (old man) advice on this. First impressions last.
Keep in mind that as an early 20s-keen-young-go-getter, your idea of what "smart casual" is, may be somewhat different to the more mature (read "older") people that will be assessing you.
Dress to impress this "older" generation, not necessarily that of your peers.
For guys, I would recommend trousers and a collared shirt (not a polo shirt).
I say this because I've had some feedback from some people involved within the ASP that some of the candidates were dressed like they were going out on Friday night with their mates.
They do notice this stuff, so give yourselves the best chance - certainly what you wear does not reflect your abilities, but it does reflect your attitude to the process, especially in the minds of the "traditional-type" people potentially assessing you.
Disclaimer - I have no fashion sense - my wife tells me so...
Extra Disclaimer - I've told my wife what I wrote here and she reckons I'm an old fashioned loser.
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Old 3rd Jul 2018, 05:23
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Fashion trumping reading in a few instances then because the joining instructions clearly spell out smart casual as collared shirt and slacks.
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Old 3rd Jul 2018, 05:29
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Fashion trumping reading in a few instances then because the joining instructions clearly spell out smart casual as collared shirt and slacks.
Ha, there you go! I was too scared to dabble in suggesting what girls should wear - in that realm, I really have NO idea. What do they say for that - same?
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Old 3rd Jul 2018, 05:36
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Essentially the same: "Blouse/top with sleeve; Knee length skirt or trousers (not jeans) or dress; Flat, fully enclosed, comfortable shoes"
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Old 3rd Jul 2018, 05:45
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Righto - what Tayra said - "Read the Joining Instructions." Good luck!
Old man out.
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Old 3rd Jul 2018, 10:54
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Originally Posted by TheTiger View Post
Is anyone here going for ADFA entry and any advice from anyone whos done the new ASP? Any way to prepare

Hows the current demand for RAAF fast jet pilots
Great info everyone on this forum...thanks for the helpful advice. Am applying for ADFA entry. Can anyone advise on how many ADFA pilot positions are offered? I understand it's a 1-2% chance of acceptance. Thanks in advance!
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Old 4th Jul 2018, 08:09
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Originally Posted by Applicant View Post
I understand it's a 1-2% chance of acceptance.
Try not to look at it this way mate. From what I've gathered, if you are a suitable candidate you've got like an 80% chance of getting in.

Yes, there's figures of "3000 applicants per year" starting from the YOU session, and "80% fail-rate" at the ASP, but the reality is that the minimum requirements to apply are so low that about a quarter of the population are eligible to apply.

Do what you need to, to make yourself a "suitable" candidate, and you'll do well.
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Old 4th Jul 2018, 21:27
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Originally Posted by josephfeatherweight View Post
Some friendly (old man) advice on this. First impressions last.
Keep in mind that as an early 20s-keen-young-go-getter, your idea of what "smart casual" is, may be somewhat different to the more mature (read "older") people that will be assessing you.
Dress to impress this "older" generation, not necessarily that of your peers.
For guys, I would recommend trousers and a collared shirt (not a polo shirt).
I say this because I've had some feedback from some people involved within the ASP that some of the candidates were dressed like they were going out on Friday night with their mates.
They do notice this stuff, so give yourselves the best chance - certainly what you wear does not reflect your abilities, but it does reflect your attitude to the process, especially in the minds of the "traditional-type" people potentially assessing you.
Disclaimer - I have no fashion sense - my wife tells me so...
Extra Disclaimer - I've told my wife what I wrote here and she reckons I'm an old fashioned loser.
Whenever in doubt, just wear a suit. That's what I'm doing
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Old 5th Jul 2018, 07:31
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Originally Posted by 13Beast View Post
Funny that you post that...I was in at DFR this afternoon and my EC was saying how the Army is starting to make noise about starting up their drive for pilots again. Apparently they shut off the pipeline for pilots about a year ago at recruiting and said they'd be fine for 18 months or so, now it looks like they will start it up again. FYI for those interested in Army pilot.
So the Army has officially opened its doors to new applicants again. The Army was always my first preference, by a long shot, until a couple of days after my assessment day in early June 2017 when they closed it down. From what I've been told, to sit an Army OSB I would need to redo my assessment day, specialist medicals, and then wait for a spot on the ASP despite passing it with a pretty decent grade in the last few months....

hmm...
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Old 6th Jul 2018, 02:49
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Looks like August intake offers are starting to go out. Good luck to those waiting by the (e)mailbox.
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Old 6th Jul 2018, 04:07
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Red face

I I have had a quick scroll through the last few months. Some interesting conversations and some interesting points.
A couple of thoughts/points.
ASP like FSP is not a pass or fail course. It is an assessment of potential. Yes if you wish you may argue that Below Required Standard (BRS) is a fail but I will disagree. Everyone has potential. The ADF is not in the business of placing people on a course that they feel have a significant chance of not passing. Not good for the individual nor the company. Hence if you are BRS you have not failed anything. Your potential displayed puts you in the higher risk category for success on this course and as there are people that have MRS why would you place someone that is a high risk candidate in that situation.Anyone that starts giving facts and figures needs to be treated with a wee bit of “consideration”. I know the intent is generally positive in providing information but unless accurate can be detrimental. If I was a newbie and looked at Han’s post on 80% “failure” rate at ASP I certainly would not be instilled with a sense of confidence. The point above in the first para is relative, it’s not a failure. The other point is it’s not 80% BRS. The UK model is a 50% BRS. Ours is no different.Although there is a far bit of jousting that has and is going on in this thread with some negative input there are two things to remember. 1) If you make a statement, give an opinion on an open forum and don’t expect replies that in particular are not to your liking and you have difficulties with this than perhaps you should not post. By all means defend you post but do so in well-mannered way even if the other has not (yes I have not adhered to this but I’m old and grumpy). 2) In the bad old days pilot’s course was a shit sandwich with no bread. In other words it was a negative reinforcement style. “You failed that, do it again and you gone”. Thankfully that style of training/debrief is no longer around. That does not mean you are not critiqued. All it means is that now you get some bread with your sandwich. Why is this relevant? You will need to face up to debrief points and take criticism. If you cannot do that on a forum you may have difficulty doing so on course. And yes this is a different place than being debriefed by a wise all-knowing instructor, here you can argue back but when you defend your post do so in a positive manner (just like Tara).Remember being a kiddie and being told that you can be whatever you want to be? A little more definition on “want” would have been helpful. Want is not wish. Wishing does not make it so. If you want something you work for it. If you want to be in the ADF than go for it, work towards it. If you want to be an ADF pilot than go for it, work for it. It is not going to be given to you as a present.The forum has some good info. However people do get annoyed when someone comes on and starts laying down what it’s all about in a tone that shall we say rubs the wrong way and grates further when not actually 100% correct. So remember it’s not what you say so much as how you say it.
Good luck and good hunting.
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Old 6th Jul 2018, 07:33
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Hey finestkind,

I am sure you'd agree with me that if you were to ask 10 different people about their opinions on any subject, you'd probably get 10 very different answers.

For instance, when I was preparing for my assessment day, I didn't just ask for the opinion of the military personnel at DFR and at the open days, I spoke to many current and ex-serving members too - particaurly those whom have had nothing to do with recruitment whatsoever! If I had just done the former, wouldn't you imagine the opinion would have been a bit biased? As far as I am concerned, the more opinions people get the better. That's what this forum is for after all.

Sure my opinion probably comes across as being a bit blunt, but any "facts and figures" I have presented have come straight from the ASP and DFR.

If I am to try and finish this post on a positive note, here's some links with what to expect for the ASP tests:

http://www.rcaf-arc.forces.gc.ca/en/...ate-guide.page

https://rafcbat.wordpress.com/

Last edited by hansfalkenhagen; 6th Jul 2018 at 12:03. Reason: link
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Old 8th Jul 2018, 12:34
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Well, everything has come around rather quickly for me. I've been lurking here for a while, since before I did my ASP. Now I'm heading off to Canberra in a few days for my OSB. Certainly is a lot of pressure but thanks to everyone for the words of wisdom, can't say I've always agreed with what some of you have to say but It's still nice to check this thread to stay updated.

Final push now - then the painful wait for an offer or the painful wait to try again a year later.

K
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Old 8th Jul 2018, 23:43
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Originally Posted by kukushka View Post
Well, everything has come around rather quickly for me. I've been lurking here for a while, since before I did my ASP. Now I'm heading off to Canberra in a few days for my OSB. Certainly is a lot of pressure but thanks to everyone for the words of wisdom, can't say I've always agreed with what some of you have to say but It's still nice to check this thread to stay updated.

Final push now - then the painful wait for an offer or the painful wait to try again a year later.

K
Good luck mate, hope you smash it and get an offer in the near future
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Old 9th Jul 2018, 00:03
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Originally Posted by 13Beast View Post
Good luck mate, hope you smash it and get an offer in the near future
As do I. If you haven't seen it already I'd recommend the following book: E-book - Pilots - ADF Mentors

It does cost about $50 but it's an invaluable resource. The bloke who runs it, Nick, is also pretty quick to get back to you with any help you need along the way too. Best of luck
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Old 9th Jul 2018, 00:23
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Hans, precisely the point. You air an opinion anywhere then you invite other opinions which maybe in disagreement with yours. And as it is an opinion it is biased. If your state something that is a fact it is not an opinionFacts and figures from DFR I would take with a huge grain of salt. Your quote that you achieved 76% by working out your score. This obviously did not come from ASP nor DFR.Your quote on “Many officers from East Sale suggested there was an 80% fail rate”. From my previous post you know my thoughts about “fail”. And suggested is not a fact. It is a fact that the RAF system has a 50% “makes the standard” rate. Your 80 % figure is more factual when you look at the 50% that do not display the appropriate potential and then the remaining number that will be looked at means that 80% of the people that do ASP will most likely be not looked at. Not 80% failed.

Happy landings.
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Old 9th Jul 2018, 01:42
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Hey finestkind,

You are right. The ASP results are a measure of potential. The higher you score, the less risk you impose on getting through the training successfully - or at least that's the intended effect.

However, there are 7 cognitive functions being tested. If you pass 6 of the functions scoring 100% but don't meet the required cut-off for just one function, you will not progress any further. Call it "fail" or "not pass", I don't mind.

Some people who do pass the ASP will not get an offer for the OSB. From what I have been told, it's a little harder to get your foot through the door at the moment due to the limited number of training aircraft right now. When the rest of the aircraft come through (due to be 49 in total) the recruitment numbers will rise and the scores for the ASP will be relaxed a little.

You can "fail" the test but if you pass it your score still acts in a similar way to an ATAR.
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Old 9th Jul 2018, 01:43
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It would be interesting to see how well the screening does, when it gets to numbers of students starting the course compared to the numbers finishing.

50 years ago when I joined the RAAF, there were about 400 applicants for each pilots course. Of those, 40 would be selected to start the course, and of those, around 20 would get their wings.

This is a success rate of 5% from the initial applicants, and 50% for those deemed to be "Meets Required Standard."

Does this more-thorough screening process increase the finishers:starters ratio?
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Old 9th Jul 2018, 02:08
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I have absolutely no idea. All I can say is that, from the research I have done, the ASP is supposed to be a better indicator of a candidate passing flight training.
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Old 9th Jul 2018, 06:47
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Hi AC.

The simple answer is yes.
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