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RAAF Flight Screening Program (Merged)

Old 31st Oct 2017, 20:40
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Originally Posted by Brando12 View Post
If Im sick at the time of the flight screening. (Vomiting, chest pain etc). Will they still allow me to go to Tamworth and fly??
Who has chest pain? Ever? Unless you've just run a marathon or are dying??

Either way, I would not tell the ADF in anyway shape of form that you have chest pain, ever!!

Just say you have a cold and can't clear your ears! The military AVMED people like to jump straight to the worst and work back... So chest pain will immediately be a heart problem, which will at best delay your application or at worst disqualify you forever!
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Old 1st Nov 2017, 09:44
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Originally Posted by Brando12 View Post
If Im sick at the time of the flight screening. (Vomiting, chest pain etc). Will they still allow me to go to Tamworth and fly??
For all you know, DFR recruiters might read this thread. If you have chest pain, you might have more worries with your health in general as opposed to worries with DFR. I'd be getting checked out by a doctor asap.

I was truthful with my application to DFR. As a result, I had to spend a few thousand on specialist medicals to get my aviation class 1 medical. I think DFR would have appreciated my honesty in this case.

If you're caught lying you will never get in to the defence force.
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Old 2nd Nov 2017, 03:29
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New member to the pilot journey

Hey guys!

I cannot believe the wealth of information available in this forum!
Congratulations to all of the candidates who have been progressing through the process and to the ones whose hard work has paid off and have commenced OTC.

A bit of a background on me, I am 21 and applying as a DEO. This is after completing an accounting degree and spending over 12 months in a global firm and realising that my boyhood dream of being a military pilot is very much real and far more attainable than I once thought. My love for flying started at airshows as a young lad and progressed to simulators, remote controlled models and more recently some time in the cockpit.

I have completed my YOU session a few weeks ago and received some extremely positive feedback and have booked my additional testing for next week.

Looking forward to sharing some tips and insights into the process as I hopefully progress through each stage.

Good luck to all currently in the process or waiting for an offer!
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Old 2nd Nov 2017, 05:48
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fish FSP - Flying Newbie

Is anyone on FSP201746? I'd like to connect with some others before heading down.

Also, i'm sure these questions have been asked many times on this thread, so feel free to link a page with relevant info instead of replying.

Basically i'm headed down to FSP later this month and am not entirely sure of what to expect (beyond flying and OSB obviously). I have no flying experience.

Are there any resources/information I should be studying other than everything from assessment day? Should I try to familiarise myself with the CT4 and its instruments?

A rundown of FSP as well as any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers
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Old 2nd Nov 2017, 14:02
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Hey guys,

I've been selected (finally) to go on Flight Screening for the ADFA 18/11 - 01/12 session

I've been reading most of this enormous thread, up to the last 20 pages now!! Definitely a lot to learn here, so first of all, thank you to all the contributors and current applicants who are part of this nice little aviation community.

I'd also like to know if there's anyone else on this thread that's going to be joining me this month? If there are you probably have already posted but, as I said, I still have to finish the last few thousand words
Really hope that as many of us can get in as possible, and that we receive an offer for the start of ADFA this upcoming january!!!

Thanks again and I appreciate any further tips or questions you may want to extend!
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Old 3rd Nov 2017, 12:48
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Hey Guys, I've been invited to FSP 46 (17th-2nd of November). I tried making a post yesterday after finally making it through the bible's worth of information that is amassed here! Thanks to everyone that's been posting relevant info and has been willing to help, I appreciate it as someone who is trying to go in as prepared as possible.

First of all I'd like to say that if anyone here is in for that course too, and would like to get in contact, I'm more than happy to make a connection on fb or phone and get to know each other before we embark on this adventure! If there's one thing I've learnt reading this thread is that it's all about comradery and forming a smart collaborative cohort and shine as a group as well as individually.

On another note if anyone who has already been through this process would like to extend me any additional advice or any questions, feel free to do so.
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Old 13th Nov 2017, 00:13
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Next intake a big one?

Hey guys,

I went on FSP in march this year and placed in the top 25 percent of candidates.

2 guys from my FSP got in, one Navy one RAAF.

Does anybody have any intel on what the situation is with intakes at the moment? I hear feb will be a large intake so perhaps that is my best shot.

Can anyone share some light on the current intake process for all 3 services?
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Old 17th Nov 2017, 00:29
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Originally Posted by harrybass3 View Post
Hey guys,

I went on FSP in march this year and placed in the top 25 percent of candidates.

2 guys from my FSP got in, one Navy one RAAF.

Does anybody have any intel on what the situation is with intakes at the moment? I hear feb will be a large intake so perhaps that is my best shot.

Can anyone share some light on the current intake process for all 3 services?
This is what Iíve been told but donít necessarily take it as fact.
For army: not recruiting currently
Navy: Unsure of current situation
RAAF: there are 4 ots intakes coming up. Jan, Feb, Mar, Apr.
number of pilot candidates being selected for each intake respecably to each month: 20,13,13,8.
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Old 17th Nov 2017, 10:58
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How big is the pool?

Originally Posted by MLed View Post
This is what Iíve been told but donít necessarily take it as fact.
For army: not recruiting currently
Navy: Unsure of current situation
RAAF: there are 4 ots intakes coming up. Jan, Feb, Mar, Apr.
number of pilot candidates being selected for each intake respecably to each month: 20,13,13,8.
OK, well that sounds promising.

So if I got a high recommendation in March (top 25 percent) would my chances still be good?

My preferences are all 5.

I remember doing some maths based on how many fsp slots there are and how many people get recommended and the pool size ended up being around 90 to 100 or so.

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Old 17th Nov 2017, 13:16
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Originally Posted by harrybass3 View Post
OK, well that sounds promising.

So if I got a high recommendation in March (top 25 percent) would my chances still be good?

My preferences are all 5.

I remember doing some maths based on how many fsp slots there are and how many people get recommended and the pool size ended up being around 90 to 100 or so.
I received the same level of recommendation as you in August and at that time there were only about 50 people in the pool. Iím unsure as to how big it is now but Iíd say the odds are decent. Weíll hopefully have an answer in the coming couple of weeks.
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Old 18th Nov 2017, 04:04
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How did you know there were only 50 people in the pool?

based on 24 screened a month, then 12 getting recommended, that would mean there would be around 80 in the pool by December and that is not factoring in drop outs, sick people and in service transfers (separate pool apparently)

Great odds then...
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Old 20th Nov 2017, 10:21
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Sorry to wake the dead thread everyone. I just finished my YOU Session (baby-steps) and was wondering if anyone could be so kind as to info-bomb me on the additional testing day and assessment day. OSB info wouldn't hurt either. Cheers.
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Old 20th Nov 2017, 21:58
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Hey mate,

just do a search on the rest of this thread and you will find what you need. You can find lots of stuff online as well just by googling.


Another mate has said that next year FSP is getting ditched for something called the aviation selection program.

I cant find anything on this I am not sure if I will have to sit the Aviation selection program even though I have a high rec on flight screening in March.

Can anyone confirm when next offers are coming out for Jan/Feb and if they will be done in the same batch?
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Old 20th Nov 2017, 22:24
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Sab when was this?

A few people have said they are on december FSP?

Did they tell you when the offers will be distributed?

Can you elaborate on ASP?
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Old 21st Nov 2017, 01:48
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OK, well that seems fine.

But isnt that ADFA FSP? I am applying for DEO.

It's good for us that the last flight screening got cancelled. It means that there will be even less people in the pool.

@mled said that there were 50 people in the pool as of August but i have no idea how he/she would know that. Did anyone say anything about the number of people in the pool when you were on flight screening or Intake numbers??

The waiting is killing me...

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Old 21st Nov 2017, 02:51
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Hey Harry,

I did FSP last month and was told pretty much the same things as sab2304 said. Nov/Dec FSP courses will be the last, and then it will all close up before restarting in March 2018 as ASP in East Sale. ASP will apparently involve one day of info sessions on various aviation careers and one day of simulator based testing. Then based on how well you go, you'll be invited back for an OSB on another day for a particular job.

Apparently, those who were recommended at FSP in 2017 will remain in the pool for one year as normal and then if you still haven't got an offer, you can do ASP. So 2017 FSPers are lucky in that they probably won't have to wait 3 years for a second chance!

I have heard that there will be intakes in Feb, March and April. Given that ASP only starts up in March, I'd say all those spots will come from those who did FSP in 2017. So, again, that is good for 2017 FSPers! I've heard that offers should start coming out in early December, but have no idea if all intakes will hear at the same time.

I know that the wait is hard, but hopefully we'll all know soon!
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Old 21st Nov 2017, 10:57
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Originally Posted by harrybass3 View Post
OK, well that seems fine.

But isnt that ADFA FSP? I am applying for DEO.

It's good for us that the last flight screening got cancelled. It means that there will be even less people in the pool.

@mled said that there were 50 people in the pool as of August but i have no idea how he/she would know that. Did anyone say anything about the number of people in the pool when you were on flight screening or Intake numbers??

The waiting is killing me...
Hey mate, I had my FSP in June and got the same recommendation. I have been sent a letter talking about an attestation medical that I am to complete to be medically suitable. From what i've research this is the medical done on day of enlistment. Just wondering if you have received any kind of letter like this in the past week or so?
Also a guy I met at FSP got a call from the navy officer saying that they are sending his dossier off to nowra. So hopefully this is good signs for us! and if less people in the pool hopefully a Jan offer!!
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Old 21st Nov 2017, 12:09
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Clearing a few things up

@sab2304, If you were told FSP 47 is the last FSP of the year, then FSP 48 must have been cancelled. See this link for the current schedule: http://www.airforce.gov.au/docs/1701...e-2017-AL3.rtf

@harrybass3, paperwork I received recently states that, even if you have already successfully completed a FSP and have not yet been given an offer by the end of 2017, you will need to attend the new ASP in 2018.

Offers will probably not be distributed until all current candidates sit the new ASP, whether they have or haven't completed a FSP.

I know there were about 50 candidates currently waiting to go on the FSP as of August 2017. I do not know how many candidates are waiting to be given a job offer. You would also now need to factor in all those applying for ACO and JBAC roles.

As of 2018, all RAAF, Army and Navy pilot candidates (whether they have or have not completed the FSP) as well as JBAC, ACO and AMWO candidates will be tested via a new Computer Based Aptitude Testing System (CBATS) which will assess candidates on a range of aviation careers. You will no longer be assessed as a "pilot candidate" but rather an "aviation candidate".

For this reason, I'd expect the number of candidates for the ASP to be rather high. However, the 2-3 day ASP was designed to process candidates at a much higher rate than the current FSP which is ran over a 2 week period.

I know this might seem like a bit of a drag, but consider the following. The 2016 Defence White Paper states the following aircraft acquisitions to be made soon:
- 8 new P8 Poseidon aircraft
- 72 F35A aircraft
- 3 Chinhooks
- 15 new Airbus H135 training helicopters (for the new HATS program in Nowra)
- Then factor in the possibility of brand new airframes due issues with the Army's Taipans and Tigers

I think it is fair to say that ADF pilot recruitment will be enormous over the next few years.
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Old 21st Nov 2017, 21:25
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Executive Summary

Ok,

Let's summarise.


1. Pool size The pool size for people awaiting FSP was 50 as of August, we have no clue what the distribution pool size or can anyone assist. We do know it will be smaller than last year because of a few cancelled flight screening spots (not sure if different for ADFA or not?)

2. FSP is moving to ASP as of March. 2017 FSP candidates that received a recommendation will have to do ASP if they have not received an offer yet...

QUESTIONS
1. Will there be offers distributed from the current pool of candidates that completed FSP 2017 with a recommendation? If so, when?
2.how did @MLED know the numbers for the intakes as per the last post?
3. A mate who just finished OTS said that "he heard" OTS was full until June??? (doubt this)
4. Why would offers not be distributed until people sit ASP.surely they will send offers for jan, feb, march 2018 before the end of the year seems to be the concensus.
Also, what does DP-AF mean, that is where my application is at the moment for a february intake....

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Old 21st Nov 2017, 22:22
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Ok,

4. Why would offers not be distributed until people sit ASP.surely they will send offers for jan, feb, march 2018 before the end of the year seems to be the concensus.
I think the consensus was that anyone who got an offer after a recommendation at FSP would be placed on an OTS course such that they ended up on the last however many BFTS courses at Tamworth next year.

Anyone getting an offer after the new ASP will be doing their BFTS in Sale on the PC-21 and what they assess on the ASP is supposed to reflect those changes to the training system. It seems unlikely that they would be waiting for the ASP to be up and running before sending out offers. Unless of course that's in the context of offers for DEO this year having already gone out. So it would make sense that no new offers would go out till people have actually completed the ASP.

That being said, patience is probably key here until more reliable sources of information pop up (which I am not ).
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