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RAAF Flight Screening Program (Merged)

Old 2nd Feb 2013, 21:41
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According to my enlistment coordinator, RAAF intakes are in January and May (can't help with other services sorry!). Does this answer your question?

Cheers

VS
Thank you. So we need to wait until May.
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Old 3rd Feb 2013, 07:41
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A24 are you there??

I am uncertain just what you are after if anything.

You are talking about the Stanine. If you are an 8 and did not get a nod you must have trod on your proverbial very hard. I doubt very much if a 3 would get a nod and itís not an offer, just a recommendation.
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Old 4th Feb 2013, 06:49
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Right guys, I have been attempting to organise a visit to the local RAAF base, on contacting the base I was informed that I would have to arrange it through my case manager (?), although this has not yet been successful.

Has anyone else successfully arranged a visit to a base and if so was it via the Defence Careers Office or a contact at the base?

In the meantime I will continue to try the Defence Careers Office.....
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Old 4th Feb 2013, 07:40
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Has anyone else successfully arranged a visit to a base
Yes. I found a helpful likeminded individual who was happy to chat on the phone and then organised a base vist for me.

You'll have to find someone in your chosen role. Perhaps check out your local heritage centre, or speak to someone in uniform at DFR or recruitment seminar.

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Old 5th Feb 2013, 12:29
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Hey folks,

I applied for Direct Entry Pilot early last year which resulted in a 12 month wait as I didn't pass Assessment Day (though he only applied it for officer entry, and he encouraged me to go for a general entry position if I wished). I was going for ACO in the beginning as top preference with Pilot being my third (I was always interested in being a Pilot, but all I knew was how competitive it was and before I did further research and found out that it wasn't so unrealistic to gain entry).

I completed my Aircrew testing and came out as one of the four to succeed out of the 10 (2 applying for Pilot, Myself for ACO, and one who I believe was going for ATC, though I could be wrong). When my Case Manager contacted me in regards to my results, he suggested that I should change my preferences to Pilot being first, ACO being second, and removing my general entry application, which I did. Knowing that my motivation was going to be a very important component to be assessed, this change of preferences was a glaringly big weakness when it came to my interviews. I did a few hours flying and studied this site (and others) in the time between my YOU session and Assessment Day, but I imagine it was too little, too late.

Anyway, I got through my psych without any problems and I felt as though I managed to talk my way through most of the issues in the interview, but it quite basically boiled down to a lack of management experience. Although he didn't state it, I also believe motivation was a let down (I previously dropped out of university years ago. Primarily because my current work gave far better opportunities in the time I would have spent studying to complete my degree. I explained it in detail and he was convinced. It wasn't ideal but he was content with the circumstances.)

I'll be reapplying very soon, and in that time I've picked up a management position at my workplace (20~ I'm directly responsible for, 130~ employees at our location, 200,000+ nationwide), a Cert IV in Frontline Management and Cert IV in Training & Assessment (both paid by myself), and plan to continue on to a Diploma in Management.

Realistically, would this work well for me and get me through to Flight Screening? My interviewer stated that my lack of management experience was basically what let me down and although my knowledge and experience in other areas were good (and he stated that the results from my aircrew assessment made me very competitive), he said both he and I would get chewed up by the OSB if they got an applicant going for a direct entry officer position who had no management experience.

Could I hazard a guess that direct entry candidates are held to a different (not higher or lower) standard than ADFA applicants?

Thanks in advance guys, and good luck to any future applicants.
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Old 6th Feb 2013, 01:05
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DBD,

You're on the right track buddy.
Listen to what the interviewer's tell you and address your weaknesses.
Common sense really.

If you're in charge of 130 or so people, then that's an EXCELLENT start.

ADFA and DE are assessed differently and for good reason. An ADFA candidate is generally still in year 12 and thus has not had the opportunity to gain general life experience such as that you're getting now. As such the interview board is likely to pay less attention to those kinds of issues. Each applicant is an individual and considered on a case by case basis. Thus you're all running your own race really. Be grateful for the feedback the DI/Psych gave you and use this wisely to maximise your performance next time.
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Old 6th Feb 2013, 09:31
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Thanks Winged Wombat.

I accepted the fact I didn't exactly have what it took to be selected at that particular time and it was more of a point of curiosity to see where I stood (but I still gave it a good go and was very surprised with how far I got.) The latter part of the interview where it came quite obvious that it would be the end of the road for this attempt, I shifted to asking him what were the issues and how I could rectify them. They were very helpful and I was very pleased with the outcome.

That's what I thought in regards to the difference between ADFA and DE. I imagine it's a bit of a bummer that I'm not degree qualified, but I imagine my practical experience and knowledge can pull me through. Though, I imagine if I was pressured to seek a degree level qualification that I could seek RPL's with my prior qualifications towards a Bachelor of Business... I explained to my interviewer that I was aware of higher education opportunities through Open University so I imagine that would be a reason why it didn't come up... or they were saving that to drill me at OSB, hahah.
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Old 6th Mar 2013, 03:58
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Where did A24 go?
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Old 6th Mar 2013, 08:00
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WW

Very possibly a good indication of why he was not given the nod
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Old 7th Mar 2013, 05:56
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Hey guys,

After a 4 week delay due to a minor medical issue my file's been sent off to PSA. Anybody currently waiting for a slot at flight screening or have a rough idea of how long it might take? How long's a piece of string seems to be the general guideline.. The chap who did my assessment day interview seemed to think those who have flying experience get streamed off first... Can anyone confirm this?

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Old 7th Mar 2013, 07:34
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Originally Posted by stoneley44
Hey guys,

After a 4 week delay due to a minor medical issue my file's been sent off to PSA. Anybody currently waiting for a slot at flight screening or have a rough idea of how long it might take? How long's a piece of string seems to be the general guideline.. The chap who did my assessment day interview seemed to think those who have flying experience get streamed off first... Can anyone confirm this?

Cheers
Gday stoneley,

We're in a similar boat it seems! I've just handed all my medical results off to DFR to have my medical status determined and awaiting a response before my file is sent to PSA.

My understanding is that PSA select candidates from the top of the list of recommended applicants to fill each individual course, where a candidates rank is determined by a number of criteria (of which flight motivation is one) and qualitative comments by your defence interviewer. Flight experience indicates motivation so it is probably desirable to have this (but doesn't necessarily infer any advantage at FSP or during training), however motivation can also be expressed in other ways so it is not the be-all and end-all. Your name will remain in the pool for 12 months or until your rank falls within range of selection and you are sent a letter of acceptance to FSP.

Your enlistment coordinator should be able to confirm your competitiveness in relation to other candidates and where you sit on the list (I'm pretty sure anyway), short of this I've heard of people calling PSA directly to find out.

Hope this helped!

Cheers,

VS

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Old 7th Mar 2013, 08:33
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Hey Stoneley,

I have also had my file sent to PSA recently. As VS said, the time taken for them to send you a letter of invitation depends on how high they rank you.

My enlistment coordinator said that I would probably hear from the PSA before she did, so I suggest you call the RAAF switchboard on 1300 333 362 and ask them to connect you to PSA where you can ask them how your file is doing.

Hopefully see you and VS at Tamworth soon!
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Old 8th Mar 2013, 02:36
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Stoneley,

VS has summarised it very nicely. There's probably not much you can do now but wait and hope that you become competitive to be invited to the FSP.

Don't waste your time though. Start preparing for the Officer Selection Board. Procrastination is never rewarded in this game and as I say, "You make your own luck" through hard work, a determined approach and detailed preparation.

WW
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Old 10th Mar 2013, 07:16
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Hi guys,

I'm also currently in a similar situation to a few of you. Just passed my assessment day for RAAF pilot and engineer- and now been reccommended for the Flight Screening Board and also OSB for engineer. I'm currently in yr 12 and want to got ADFA. I haven't had any flight experience though - is that really going to be an issue?
If anyone's got any tips for either, they'd be greatly appreciated
Also if anyone knows to get in contact with a RAAF pilot or aersopace engineer, or if there are any on this thread willing to talk to me that'd be great

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Old 10th Mar 2013, 10:22
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Originally Posted by ATP9
Hi guys,

I'm also currently in a similar situation to a few of you. Just passed my assessment day for RAAF pilot and engineer- and now been reccommended for the Flight Screening Board and also OSB for engineer. I'm currently in yr 12 and want to got ADFA. I haven't had any flight experience though - is that really going to be an issue?
If anyone's got any tips for either, they'd be greatly appreciated
Also if anyone knows to get in contact with a RAAF pilot or aersopace engineer, or if there are any on this thread willing to talk to me that'd be great
Hi ATP,

You'll find the answer to flight experience in my previous post directed to stonely44. As for tips, I recommend reading through this thread in its entirety. I understand it is a long thread, but it is filled with tips, advice and experiences from people who have taught on FSP and BFTS, as well as people who have been through the process and been both successful and unsuccessful.

I see you're from NSW... did you get a chance to go to Avalon for the airshow last weekend? It would have been a perfect opportunity to have a chat to a few pilots as well as engineers with the trade exhibition on, and (if memory serves correctly) a lot of engineers are based at Point Cook. If not, I'm sure there a few people on these forums who would be willing to point you in the right direction

Cheers

VS
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Old 10th Mar 2013, 10:48
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April flight screening

Anyone got onto the 28th april FSP?
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Old 11th Mar 2013, 00:52
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I'm assuming you did? Out of interest how long ago did PSA receive your file?
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Old 11th Mar 2013, 06:37
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Thanks Very Sneaky, I live on the south coast which is quite a fair way from Avalon and Point Cook. My nearest Air Force base is in Williamtown which is 4hrs away :/ Yeah i've had a bit of a read of the thread and the info's all really great but also from a few years ago, i was just trying to get advice from those who have really recently gone through the process (wasn't sure if anything has changed much or not). Trying to get in touch with people is hard for me, being where i am, which is why i'm trying this thread
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Old 11th Mar 2013, 12:48
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Hey ATP9, give Williamtown a call and ask to arrange a base visit, they will tell you to organise it through your enlistment coordinator. Ask then for the email to send the application to and make a note of the name of the person you speak to. That way you can give this information to your enlistment coordinator without them turning around and saying that they dont have a contact at the base. You should be able to get a visit organised pretty easily, and get a chance to talk to some pilots.
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Old 11th Mar 2013, 20:21
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Thanks heaps, i'll give that a try. Also does anyone know what the extra medical tests for pilot entails??
Again - big thanks to you guys for helping me out here
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