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Old 12th Aug 2012, 09:44
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Hi Marko,

To be honest, I am really disappointed that you would make a post such as this. There are people who have worked their asses off to get recommended and whilst you didn't, after a post such as this I can understand why.

You are putting every applicant that has been recommended and is currently sitting in the pool at a disadvantage by posting this - and I am sure the majority of them are not currently serving.

If maturity was a factor I am sure you failed on that one!

One of the other things they look for is being able to following instruction, something that once again you have failed in.

Whilst I can understand your disappointment, you are doing the same thing.......if not worse then the people you thought had an advantage over you.

Liz
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Old 12th Aug 2012, 10:39
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Have a little cry

I'm sorry Liz, you do seem very mature yourself. You obviously missed the fact that plenty of applicants are ADF (half of my course). Is is fair that they have an advantage over every other applicant by having the mass brief contents to learn months before the FSP ? Yeah no, i dont think so.... I assume your in the pool and are having a little cry about missing out on a position . Well hate to disappoint you but if you didn't get a high rec your probably not going to get a position anyway.

What i am doing is trying to level the playing field for non-ADF people like me. if that is putting 45 people in the pool under some extra pressure then fine.
Grow up and put the benefit of many before the benefit of the few, yourself included !
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Old 12th Aug 2012, 10:59
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Obviously their screening process is working.
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Old 12th Aug 2012, 11:27
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Integrity, honesty, professionalism ..... (not worth the effort to carry on with the list as it obviously will mean nothing to you). As Wag pointed out there is an obvious reason why some do not get recommended. As far as half the applicants being ADF, well if the rest of what you have to offer is this accurate then there will be no issues. Combined with the ADF applicants get the Mass Briefs months before is total drivel.
What is the many?? The ones that require extra help to get a recommendation? These are the people you want the many to use their taxes to pay for the below par to get a recommendation and make if half way through and then be suspended.
At you age one would expect a certain amount of life experience which would hopefully consolidate a base of maturity combined with some ethical aspects that would reflect some of the above mentioned attributes. Not to belabour a point but it looks like the OSB got it right with you.
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Old 12th Aug 2012, 12:15
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Alternatively you could do what all good pilots do, learn from your mistakes, dump the blog and carry on. Re the mass briefs, as they don't exist on the defense network, rather the contractors, any widespread conspiracy theory of people getting all the info is pretty unlikely. Pm me if you want to discuss
Cheers,
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Old 13th Aug 2012, 03:28
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I wouldn't be too concerned about this so called blog. There is no magic gouge for FSP, especially from someone who didn't make it. It's like the guy on pilots course who thinks back running will make it easier as all his mates have been there before. They still get scrubbed.
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Old 13th Aug 2012, 04:46
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I dont have a problem with Markoshark giving advice or writing a blog or doing whatever he wants to be honest, its a free world after all. I went on PSF a month ago and come out with a recommendation. I dont think having advice would have helped that much, after all your the one that needs to do the work/ flying and pass the interview. What about the books about becoming an ADF pilot such as 'Wings'? Does that give people an unfair advantage? What about applicants that dont know anyone in the ADF and going in their blind compared to someone who has a mate in the ADF or just done the screening process? I think if people go to the effort to find as much as possible about they have to do should have an advantage compared to someone who does not put in the leg work. At the end of the day it comes down to your ability, you could know everything at PSF before hand and still not get through and vice versa. Hopefully the process works so people that get through make it all the way. I look forward to reading your blog Markoshark, the link did not work.

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Old 13th Aug 2012, 04:51
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Also OP, I believe the ADF guys on course had access to the BTFT manuals ect. I dont think it was the mass briefings. I dont think the BFTS manuals would have been much use after all its alot of information to go through. Also nothing stopping people photocopying the mass briefs and putting them online, surprised it has not happened already. Probably why they are not very useful!!

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Old 13th Aug 2012, 04:56
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I dont have a problem with Markoshark giving advice or writing a blog or doing whatever he wants to be honest, its a free world after all. I went on PSF a month ago and come out with a recommendation. I dont think having advice would have helped that much, after all your the one that needs to do the work/ flying and pass the interview. What about the books about becoming an ADF pilot such as 'Wings'? Does that give people an unfair advantage? What about applicants that dont know anyone in the ADF and going in their blind compared to someone who has a mate in the ADF or just done the screening process? I think if people go to the effort to find as much as possible about they have to do should have an advantage compared to someone who does not put in the leg work. At the end of the day it comes down to your ability, you could know everything at PSF before hand and still not get through and vice versa. Hopefully the process works so people that get through make it all the way. I look forward to reading your blog Markoshark, the link did not work.

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Old 13th Aug 2012, 05:19
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I also think that this thread should not be used to have a go at people. You dont know why Markoshark didnt get a recommendation. Fair enough have your own opinion about him giving advice, but its easy to call names over the internet when you dont even know the guy. I hope this is not a sign of what the ADF is like if I get in.

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Old 13th Aug 2012, 05:56
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FC

By Marko

Yeah that might be relevant if i did get recommended !
Gives an indication of not necessarily helping others but just diluting the whole process because he didn't make it. Your backing this guy because?????

As much as you like to think its a free world its not. Apart from many other restrictions, is the prime one of responsibility. In particular taking responsibility for your actions. As Marko is finding out there are a lot of people who believe in doing the right thing, which is what has been requested of them in a professional setting. There is no way you could justify, as has been attempted, that what Marko is doing is trying to help others. It is naive to thinks other's have not discussed what happens at FSP but the majority don't shout it from the roof tops trying to mask it by advocating they are helping the many.

Yes this IS the ADF you are getting into, unfortunately not as stringent as it was 10 + years ago. You do not want people you cannot trust on your wing. If Marko is big enough to have a crack at someone without having met them, assume your in the pool and having a little cry on missing out, then he is big enough to take the responsibility for the reaction it has caused.
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Old 13th Aug 2012, 08:32
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So your saying that he is motivated by trying to get more people in to try and dilute the pool which is not benefit or disadvantage to him? I would see it more as trying to help people who dont have access to people in the know. He is using this own time and not getting much out of helping random people. I dont think this is a case of being right/ wrong or a matter of trust. I dont see a great advantage in knowing what you are doing for two weeks at PSF. Its not that Im backing Markoshark, I just dont agree with what your saying and voicing my opinion which I am entitled to in our democratic society and free world. My comment about 'having a crack' went both ways, I dont think anyone should have a go at people they dont know and never meet just because they have different point of views.

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Old 13th Aug 2012, 10:25
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More than enough information in this thread to give you guys an advantage over those who don't read it.

The notes on that blog were dodgy at best and merely contained the insights of an outsider who obviously does not fully understand the recruitment process.

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Old 14th Aug 2012, 08:41
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Hi, I'm in the process of going through this entire thread and can't seem to find an answer to a question I have. I am on the other end of the height scale, and have been through the aptitude test and in the terms of the recruit counsellor, trying to be 'sold' as a pilot due to my extensive history in aviation. I would love nothing more than this as I have been working towards it for many years but am extremely concerned I will be knocked back initially due to my height of which is approx 160cm. I am female and definitely not going to find the necessary 3cm that the website says is required, but am unsure if the standards I am looking at are for across the board ie. all services and all types of aircraft? And also for other jobs such as ACO?

If anyone has any light on this I would be extremely grateful! I want to knuckle down and get into studying and start preparing for further aptitude tests and assessments but can't get my head past that I may not physically be able to progress any further. Please help! I get measured next Monday. I know they will tell me then but I don't think I can hold out that long!
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Old 14th Aug 2012, 10:51
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Get to FSP, and work your arse off. You will get the result you were after.

I'm sure FSP has changed even in the two years since I did it, but I'm sure the common formula hasn't. Put in the hard yards while at Tamworth, I'm sure you will reap the reward.

As far as Mass Briefs go, the time you get given to learn the material is pretty adequate, certainly most of my friends and myself managed fine.

And I don't think the MB's are on DRN either. As someone above said, it is a Bae thing. BFTS SATG and Type Manuals etc are on their, but that is of bugger all use on FSP.
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Old 17th Aug 2012, 10:19
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too short?

It's not only height - it's weight. There are upper and lower limits for ejection seats (too tall or too heavy and you won't get out in time, too short or too light and the seat will break you on the way out). Since Army do not train in ejection seat fitted aircraft, this may still be an option for you.

Good Luck !
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Old 23rd Aug 2012, 06:44
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FSP SATG

Yes,
True no mass briefs on the ADF intrnet but the SATG is.... which has the entire content from the mass briefs in chapters 4-110,14. The mass brief is a BAE systems doc...its a civilian run base (much to the dismay of the OSB)

In response to the kind comments offered by other in the forum, i think they speak for themselves. I'll will say that these forums are for advice sharing and not personal insults.

i'll just say that being prepared by any comments i have made isn't ging to get you recommended. Its your flying at the FSP and flying under pressure. I think that if you know what you have to do in a manouver before you get there then you might be more relaxed.

Get yourself plenty of time in the air before you go down there, spend some coin and make sure your comfy behind the controls and can control the aircraft rather than you responding to it (Trim, trim, trim )

Good Luck to you all...
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Old 23rd Aug 2012, 06:53
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Sorry just need to reply here...

Although i can see your concern comes from a good place, Sadly, you missed my point which was about the ingruence of having half the applicants given access to the training manual and the other half not ie non-ADF.

Isn't that allowing the ADF peronel to "slip through the cracks" ????
but i guess that is ok, if you are ADF ?

FSP is about your improving ability in flying nd rate of learning, this will be identified in the air and there is no fooling the instructors, they know. What i'm saying is the manual can only do so much for you. I'm not giving people a magical pass to get through screening. The only ADV you can get is time in the air behind the controls

Also, suggest you look up the meaning of irony...
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Old 23rd Aug 2012, 09:55
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too tall or too heavy and you won't get out in time
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Not quite correct, If your seated height is too tall, then your head will be above the horns (canopy breakers) on the seat, which means your head hits the canopy of the PC9 before the seat. Not a good thing. The over weight is due to the seat mounting ponts on the floor of the PC9. For other aircraft in the RAAF inventory, these limits may not matter so much, but as the Training aircraft for RAAF and Navy are PC9, then those limits apply for selection.
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Old 23rd Aug 2012, 11:09
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Hi all,

I got back from FSP a month ago - unfortunately without a reccomendation which was somewhat disheartening at the time. However, I am still motivated to become an RAAF pilot and was thinking of waiting and re-applying again in 3 years or possibly even look at another avenue of entry, in particular aerospace engineering.

My question relates to changing job roles withing the RAAF while you still have an outstanding IMPS; has anyone heard of this happening?
I already spoke to recruiting and got the expected answer but was reading on the Defence Jobs website which stated that it was "subject to service requirements."

Any insight would be greatly appreciated.

Regards,
Chris
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