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After having a conversation with my enlistment coordinator today, I can confirm that they've changed the structure of FSP to split courses into:
Basic: <10 hours
Intermediate: 10-50 hours
Advanced: 50+ hours
Basic: <10 hours
Intermediate: 10-50 hours
Advanced: 50+ hours
Does this means flying experience of candidates?
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Does this means flying experience of candidates?
The best (read: easiest) way for people to do it is just stay below 10.0 hours.
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Some Advice
The FSP is a selection process/tool not a training device.
Previous flying experience (PFE) is used to determine which level of FSP you complete. Do NOT limit yourself by fantasy PFE limits in order to control which level of FSP you complete. Fly if you are passionate and can afford to. If you cannot fly then know LOTS about aircraft, particulalrly the aircraft type you want to fly. The key here is to show the assessors that you are as keen as mustard for the job. There are many ways of showing this and PFE is just one of those ways.
There would probably be nothing more frustrating for a board officer than interviewing a candidate who knows nothing about the job and is not passionate about the role.
The need for fast jet pilots is probably increasing all the time and the need for multi engined pilots is probably limited by excesses in the system. READ- RAAF probably highly focussed on fast jet selection, though there will always be some requirement to recruit and train pilots for ME aircraft.
However, the FSP and PSA are not RAAF centric and a career in either of the other services is guaranteed to provide a challenging and very rewarding career opportunity so don't get hung up on RAAF. Look around at what the other services can offer.
Passion and a determined and focussed application is key. If you're not in this category then you should look at other careers. It is competitive. It is challenging and it will be exciting and it can be disappointing. Just like the real job!
Remember the 6 P's. Prior Preparation Prevents
Poor Performance
Previous flying experience (PFE) is used to determine which level of FSP you complete. Do NOT limit yourself by fantasy PFE limits in order to control which level of FSP you complete. Fly if you are passionate and can afford to. If you cannot fly then know LOTS about aircraft, particulalrly the aircraft type you want to fly. The key here is to show the assessors that you are as keen as mustard for the job. There are many ways of showing this and PFE is just one of those ways.
There would probably be nothing more frustrating for a board officer than interviewing a candidate who knows nothing about the job and is not passionate about the role.
The need for fast jet pilots is probably increasing all the time and the need for multi engined pilots is probably limited by excesses in the system. READ- RAAF probably highly focussed on fast jet selection, though there will always be some requirement to recruit and train pilots for ME aircraft.
However, the FSP and PSA are not RAAF centric and a career in either of the other services is guaranteed to provide a challenging and very rewarding career opportunity so don't get hung up on RAAF. Look around at what the other services can offer.
Passion and a determined and focussed application is key. If you're not in this category then you should look at other careers. It is competitive. It is challenging and it will be exciting and it can be disappointing. Just like the real job!
Remember the 6 P's. Prior Preparation Prevents
Poor Performance
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Well said W.W.
I would strongly advise all those whom aspire to fly in the ADF to read and remember Winged Wombat's post. He speaks the truth.
I would like to think I know what I'm talking about in this regard (however I'm sure someone will challange me on that one!) as I was on staff at BFTS for 7 1/2 years.
I would strongly advise all those whom aspire to fly in the ADF to read and remember Winged Wombat's post. He speaks the truth.
I would like to think I know what I'm talking about in this regard (however I'm sure someone will challange me on that one!) as I was on staff at BFTS for 7 1/2 years.
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GU,
You asked .....
"By the way, does anyone know what kind of questions they
ask at OSB? Even the generic ones would be great, because so far in this thread
(unless I've missed it) they say prepare for OSB, but I don't know the
questions, so how can I prepare for questions I don't know right?
Just put yourself in the board's shoes. They have to work out what risk each candidate presents. Your FSP result is one important link in that decision making matrix. You NEED to do as well as you possibly can at the FSP. The rest is probably all about your personal qualities and why you're asking to become a pilot with Defence. Think about what's driving you.
Imagine you are about to decide to employ someone who is going to cost you about $4M to train before you even get any production out of them. By the way it's probably about $10M for a fast jet pilot. What questions would you ask and how would you decide whether the risk is appropriate or not. It's not rocket science.
You'll probably never be fully prepared for the OSB. Accept that. There will likely be questions you can't answer. However if you are motivated correctly you will easily be able to answer most questions because you're naturally interested in the subject. Don't kid yourself. Unless your absolutely and relentlessly driven about the opportunity, you probably won't be successful.
All the pilots I know remain completely addicted to aircraft and aviation, whether they're in the civilian industry like me or still in the military side of things. It's a bug and you'll know if you've got it or not because you just can't get rid of it.
You asked .....
"By the way, does anyone know what kind of questions they
ask at OSB? Even the generic ones would be great, because so far in this thread
(unless I've missed it) they say prepare for OSB, but I don't know the
questions, so how can I prepare for questions I don't know right?
Just put yourself in the board's shoes. They have to work out what risk each candidate presents. Your FSP result is one important link in that decision making matrix. You NEED to do as well as you possibly can at the FSP. The rest is probably all about your personal qualities and why you're asking to become a pilot with Defence. Think about what's driving you.
Imagine you are about to decide to employ someone who is going to cost you about $4M to train before you even get any production out of them. By the way it's probably about $10M for a fast jet pilot. What questions would you ask and how would you decide whether the risk is appropriate or not. It's not rocket science.
You'll probably never be fully prepared for the OSB. Accept that. There will likely be questions you can't answer. However if you are motivated correctly you will easily be able to answer most questions because you're naturally interested in the subject. Don't kid yourself. Unless your absolutely and relentlessly driven about the opportunity, you probably won't be successful.
All the pilots I know remain completely addicted to aircraft and aviation, whether they're in the civilian industry like me or still in the military side of things. It's a bug and you'll know if you've got it or not because you just can't get rid of it.
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Winged Wombat is correct about the FJ pilots. It is a major focus, 2FTS is all about providing 79SQN a quality product and they need more than we can provide. As such the training is all about extending your flying skills and extending you as an individual. To achieve this the curriculum is a challenging and ever evolving beast.
What do we need of the trainee... dedication, hard work, co-operation, guts, grit and determination, respect and over all integrity mixed in with ability and capacity. Not just for flight screening but all of the way until Wings and beyond.
A better product for 79SQN has other benefits for the rest of the customers. Those who don't make it to FJ's for what ever reason will be well positioned to flow on to the other types who are facing ever challenging operational tasking. They also require highly skilled and dedicated individuals.
Those who where well rehearsed to pass flight screening but lack some or all of the above criteria, will be weeded out at some stage.
My two cents. Good luck.
MMSOBGYTAST
What do we need of the trainee... dedication, hard work, co-operation, guts, grit and determination, respect and over all integrity mixed in with ability and capacity. Not just for flight screening but all of the way until Wings and beyond.
A better product for 79SQN has other benefits for the rest of the customers. Those who don't make it to FJ's for what ever reason will be well positioned to flow on to the other types who are facing ever challenging operational tasking. They also require highly skilled and dedicated individuals.
Those who where well rehearsed to pass flight screening but lack some or all of the above criteria, will be weeded out at some stage.
My two cents. Good luck.
MMSOBGYTAST
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A couple of questions for the floor:
In relation to an Army SSO Pilot, would they do the Aviation Medical Cse before or during Basic Flying Training? Is this done at Tamworth or RAAF Base Edinburgh?
Secondly, do Army Pilots attend Combat Survival Training at RAAF Townsville, or does the Army run its own course elsewhere?
In relation to an Army SSO Pilot, would they do the Aviation Medical Cse before or during Basic Flying Training? Is this done at Tamworth or RAAF Base Edinburgh?
Secondly, do Army Pilots attend Combat Survival Training at RAAF Townsville, or does the Army run its own course elsewhere?
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would they do the Aviation Medical Cse before or during Basic Flying Training?
Is this done at Tamworth or RAAF Base Edinburgh?
do Army Pilots attend Combat Survival Training at RAAF Townsville, or does the Army run its own course elsewhere?
Does any of this matter?
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RE AVMED. Believe you'll find it's actually done after course in Edinburgh. BFTS wont be sending you to Adelaide in the middle of course. You do a basic AVMED course at BFTS over 2 days as well.
RE Combat Survival. That is all run by the RAAF out of Townsville. Tri service aircrew all do the same course.
RE Combat Survival. That is all run by the RAAF out of Townsville. Tri service aircrew all do the same course.
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BFTS wont be sending you to Adelaide in the middle of course.
These days AVMED is done after BFTS but before the next phase (2FTS or Oakey). In the good ol' days they waited after course, but nowadays it's a method of marking time while 2FTS/Oakey catch up with what BFTS has sent them.
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Skymong,
Nice to see you trying hard to prepare. It will pay off in the long run.
Just don't get too hung up on nibbly details.
Have a solid foundation understanding of the basic training pipe line.
Know what an SSO is and how that particular stream is used by Army.
Avoid learning the number of rivets between spars 3 and 4 on the CT4.
Leave that to the instructors...
That kind of in-depth prep at the application stage will waste a lot of your valuable time and energy.
I doubt that you'll be asked about Avmed to that degree.
Remember; why you're applying is the key.
WW
Nice to see you trying hard to prepare. It will pay off in the long run.
Just don't get too hung up on nibbly details.
Have a solid foundation understanding of the basic training pipe line.
Know what an SSO is and how that particular stream is used by Army.
Avoid learning the number of rivets between spars 3 and 4 on the CT4.
Leave that to the instructors...
That kind of in-depth prep at the application stage will waste a lot of your valuable time and energy.I doubt that you'll be asked about Avmed to that degree.
Remember; why you're applying is the key.
WW
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Originally Posted by TSRABECOMING
Hi, Until now are there any announcement about pilot selection after new year??
Cheers
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Hey again guys,
I had my assessment day a month or two ago, and after being classified 3R on the medical, I have just now handed in the medical reports saying I'm practically fine. Does anyone know how long roughly AVMED take to approve the reports? They were for spirometry and ECG if it makes any difference.
Thanks for any help
I had my assessment day a month or two ago, and after being classified 3R on the medical, I have just now handed in the medical reports saying I'm practically fine. Does anyone know how long roughly AVMED take to approve the reports? They were for spirometry and ECG if it makes any difference.
Thanks for any help
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Frappe,
It's a good question and not easily answered.
Avmed have to deal with numerous assessments across a wide variety of avmend related issues and their workload is very high.
Couple this with typically low levels of manpower and you can imagine that some assessments could take weeks.
Your best bet is to sit tight for a month and wait to see what happens.
After a month I'd head into the recruitment centre and ask some questions. Be gentle though!
It's a good question and not easily answered.
Avmed have to deal with numerous assessments across a wide variety of avmend related issues and their workload is very high.
Couple this with typically low levels of manpower and you can imagine that some assessments could take weeks.
Your best bet is to sit tight for a month and wait to see what happens.
After a month I'd head into the recruitment centre and ask some questions. Be gentle though!
