Halleluejah! CDS "Armed Forces 'stretched beyond their capabilities"
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Civilians in the MOD get paid less than service people rank for rank
Its not we voters who send the armed forces out to fight without proper equipment and resources. Its the government that does that, and the MOD are the civil service department that is supposed to advise the Minister and manage the budget. As long as the ministry, as represented by their spokesmen, continue to subscribe to the lie that everything is fine, the armed forces will suffer shortages.
Chutley,
“It is a socially and morally bankrupt country”
Oh please! Take your head out of the Daily Mail and have a look around you at what is happening in the real world………………..
The many young men and women who are volunteering, serving, fighting and sacrificing life and limb in Afghanistan and Iraq ARE of this country!
The people lining the streets in Wooton Bassett when the coffins of those who have paid the ultimate price return ARE of this country.
The people who turn out to line the streets up and down the country to thank and applaud returning units ARE of this country.
The people who joined in events across the country but especially in London and Blackpool to celebrate Veterans Day today ARE of this country.
The ordinary people who were honoured and recognized for their gallantry and bravery in London on 7/7 ARE of this country.
The many MANY volunteer organizations across the land from St. Johns Ambulance to the RNLI who sacrifice their time in service of others for no monetary reward are staffed by people who ARE of this country.
A socially and morally bankrupt country? Jeezzzzzzzzzzz……………………..
“It is a socially and morally bankrupt country”
Oh please! Take your head out of the Daily Mail and have a look around you at what is happening in the real world………………..
The many young men and women who are volunteering, serving, fighting and sacrificing life and limb in Afghanistan and Iraq ARE of this country!
The people lining the streets in Wooton Bassett when the coffins of those who have paid the ultimate price return ARE of this country.
The people who turn out to line the streets up and down the country to thank and applaud returning units ARE of this country.
The people who joined in events across the country but especially in London and Blackpool to celebrate Veterans Day today ARE of this country.
The ordinary people who were honoured and recognized for their gallantry and bravery in London on 7/7 ARE of this country.
The many MANY volunteer organizations across the land from St. Johns Ambulance to the RNLI who sacrifice their time in service of others for no monetary reward are staffed by people who ARE of this country.
A socially and morally bankrupt country? Jeezzzzzzzzzzz……………………..
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Dear Proone
UK has a populous of roughly 60 million so bearing in mind your rather daft and not unexpected left wing rant of...............
"The many young men and women who are volunteering, serving, fighting and sacrificing life and limb in Afghanistan and Iraq ARE of this country!
The people lining the streets in Wooton Bassett when the coffins of those who have paid the ultimate price return ARE of this country.
The people who turn out to line the streets up and down the country to thank and applaud returning units ARE of this country.
The people who joined in events across the country but especially in London and Blackpool to celebrate Veterans Day today ARE of this country.
The ordinary people who were honoured and recognized for their gallantry and bravery in London on 7/7 ARE of this country.
The many MANY volunteer organizations across the land from St. Johns Ambulance to the RNLI who sacrifice their time in service of others for no monetary reward are staffed by people who ARE of this country."
Would you like to give us a rough idea of the numbers involved in all of the above?
And then in the context of the thread and the post you so lamely try to belittle marry up spending on "the good guys, not just military" and the rest of society................................................
UK has a populous of roughly 60 million so bearing in mind your rather daft and not unexpected left wing rant of...............
"The many young men and women who are volunteering, serving, fighting and sacrificing life and limb in Afghanistan and Iraq ARE of this country!
The people lining the streets in Wooton Bassett when the coffins of those who have paid the ultimate price return ARE of this country.
The people who turn out to line the streets up and down the country to thank and applaud returning units ARE of this country.
The people who joined in events across the country but especially in London and Blackpool to celebrate Veterans Day today ARE of this country.
The ordinary people who were honoured and recognized for their gallantry and bravery in London on 7/7 ARE of this country.
The many MANY volunteer organizations across the land from St. Johns Ambulance to the RNLI who sacrifice their time in service of others for no monetary reward are staffed by people who ARE of this country."
Would you like to give us a rough idea of the numbers involved in all of the above?
And then in the context of the thread and the post you so lamely try to belittle marry up spending on "the good guys, not just military" and the rest of society................................................
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The many MANY volunteer organizations across the land from St. Johns Ambulance to the RNLI who sacrifice their time in service of others for no monetary reward are staffed by people who ARE of this country.
)My experience is that individually the people of the UK care about the forces, but as a nation, we do pretty bad. I've seen how the US do it, and that's more like the way things should be IMHO.
I have heard from friends that deployed with the US that in their rooms they have Starbucks coffee, with messages written on them (and so presumably bought) by individuals throughout the US. And not a week goes by without mutiple care packages arriving from schools, clubs, and organisations in the US.
On the subject of being stretched ? I will now add my name to the officer's publicly declaring their feelings on the current state of affairs
I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
Without jumping to Pprone's defence, may I comment?
The Air Training Corps has more members than the RAF. This is not because people don't wish to join or remain in the RAF but because the Government cut the numbers of trained personnel.
St John's Ambulance has a youth arm. In Guernsey it was a uniformed organisation, with military rank badges, that remained extant throughout the occupation. Each year at the annual commemoration in October the SJA contingent probably out numbers the cadet forces who, in turn, out number the RN contingent. The SJA, like cubs etc, has tinies in its organisation.
On Saturday we were entertained by a 50 strong teenage youth and gospel choir. They gave up their Saturday evening to entertain us and many other hours to practise. Their recital was without any music sheets.
The good youth are there. There are many good in the country. Indeed the Daily Mail and nationals do focus on the exception rather than the good.
I just saw that a national event organisation has said how it is raising I think about £15k for veterans' charities. We raised half that in one night at a local event.
Centrally however we see a Government intent on telling us how to spend our own money. Free bus passes aren't. Free swimming isn't. Free prescriptions aren't. Free bin collections aren't yet they plan to charge us extra up front. Vehicle Excise duty is a self-licking lollipop; it doesn't pay for roads. It is the Centre of which we despair.
The Air Training Corps has more members than the RAF. This is not because people don't wish to join or remain in the RAF but because the Government cut the numbers of trained personnel.
St John's Ambulance has a youth arm. In Guernsey it was a uniformed organisation, with military rank badges, that remained extant throughout the occupation. Each year at the annual commemoration in October the SJA contingent probably out numbers the cadet forces who, in turn, out number the RN contingent. The SJA, like cubs etc, has tinies in its organisation.
On Saturday we were entertained by a 50 strong teenage youth and gospel choir. They gave up their Saturday evening to entertain us and many other hours to practise. Their recital was without any music sheets.
The good youth are there. There are many good in the country. Indeed the Daily Mail and nationals do focus on the exception rather than the good.
I just saw that a national event organisation has said how it is raising I think about £15k for veterans' charities. We raised half that in one night at a local event.
Centrally however we see a Government intent on telling us how to spend our own money. Free bus passes aren't. Free swimming isn't. Free prescriptions aren't. Free bin collections aren't yet they plan to charge us extra up front. Vehicle Excise duty is a self-licking lollipop; it doesn't pay for roads. It is the Centre of which we despair.
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Proone, take it you will be bailing out the labour government of their estimated 24 million debt will you?
How about the country, which faces its worst financial crisis since 1929, not due to "international events" as von brown would have us believe, but becuase Noo Labour P*ssed it up the wall on a massively cash hungry yet little improved NHS, or on ensuring the lower types of our society could breed like rabbits? (In my mind socialist policies = reverse evolution).
Take it you think the record numbers of fleeing middle class educated types that are heading off to oceana/America/Canada/Europe is a perfectly normal thing do you?
Mark my words, your beloved party will be unelected for 50 years when the full scale of the mess they have created is revealed. I hope You can flip burgers. I have a funny feeling that Lawyers are going to be struggling for jobs in the near future.
How about the country, which faces its worst financial crisis since 1929, not due to "international events" as von brown would have us believe, but becuase Noo Labour P*ssed it up the wall on a massively cash hungry yet little improved NHS, or on ensuring the lower types of our society could breed like rabbits? (In my mind socialist policies = reverse evolution).
Take it you think the record numbers of fleeing middle class educated types that are heading off to oceana/America/Canada/Europe is a perfectly normal thing do you?
Mark my words, your beloved party will be unelected for 50 years when the full scale of the mess they have created is revealed. I hope You can flip burgers. I have a funny feeling that Lawyers are going to be struggling for jobs in the near future.
Er, I never mentioned a political party, just commented on what I believe to be the qualities of the people of this country...................................
VinRouge,
What! "worst financial crisis since 1929"? What total nonsense! The country is facing the most severe slowing of the economy since 1990, remind me again who was in power then?
Fleeing Middle class educated types? Tells me all I need to know about you and your prejudices. Fleeing to where? It might be nice and hot in other places but they have exactly the same issues we do, some far FAR worse.
As for flipping burgers, I'm a Barrister, there is NO shortage of work, believe me!
VinRouge,
What! "worst financial crisis since 1929"? What total nonsense! The country is facing the most severe slowing of the economy since 1990, remind me again who was in power then?
Fleeing Middle class educated types? Tells me all I need to know about you and your prejudices. Fleeing to where? It might be nice and hot in other places but they have exactly the same issues we do, some far FAR worse.
As for flipping burgers, I'm a Barrister, there is NO shortage of work, believe me!
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Er, I never mentioned a political party
So the CDS has spoken about overstretch, we listened the media might have done but couldn't really give a rats ar$e.
But still there is a Veterans day now.
If it wasn't for the people of Wooton Basset, you might think that the public are totally apathetic as to their armed forces.
If more of the British Public were more like the fine respectful people of Wooton Basset, that lined the main street this afternoon to honour the latest casualties, then the UK would be a better place.
