Halleluejah! CDS "Armed Forces 'stretched beyond their capabilities"
and have to buy their clothing with their own money.
b, so do the military personnel working in MOD!!I hope CDS sacks the "MOD Spokesman" for contradicting him.
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Dear Cirrus, be a nice chap and pop over to Innsworth (or wherever clothing stores is nowadays), get some nice free clothes (unfortunately only one colour available) then jump on a plane to the sandpit. Then you can moan about civil servants getting paid less than their uniformed colleagues.
Unfortunately, the MOD civil servant probably does work for Swiss Des and will never get sacked. When was the last time any civil servant was sacked?
Unfortunately, the MOD civil servant probably does work for Swiss Des and will never get sacked. When was the last time any civil servant was sacked?
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Air Chief Marshal Sir Jock Stirrup, the Chief of the Defence Staff, admitted the Armed Forces were "stretched beyond the capabilities we have" and could not go on fighting two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
A Ministry of Defence spokesman said: "The British Armed Forces are very stretched, but not yet overstretched. We continue to invest in our personnel, equipment, training and logistical support."
A Ministry of Defence spokesman said: "The British Armed Forces are very stretched, but not yet overstretched. We continue to invest in our personnel, equipment, training and logistical support."
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Funny how this hasn't made any impression on the state funded media website, and the only reference I can find is an opinion piece which seems to suggest that the CDS really didn't mean what he said....
BBC NEWS | UK | Defence chief's warning on forces
BBC NEWS | UK | Defence chief's warning on forces
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Cirrus, you kb, so do the military personnel working in MOD!
b, so do the military personnel working in MOD!
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Dear Cirrus, be a nice chap and pop over to Innsworth (or wherever clothing stores is nowadays), get some nice free clothes (unfortunately only one colour available) then jump on a plane to the sandpit. Then you can moan about civil servants getting paid less than their uniformed colleagues.
Unfortunately, the MOD civil servant probably does work for Swiss Des and will never get sacked. When was the last time any civil servant was sacked?
Err, about as often as military get sacked.
I'm a former squaddy grunt who after leaving the UK Army ten years or so ago has subsequently qualified as ATPL, and am now in early 40s.
Yep, thought so. How about a nice big cup of shut the hell up?
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Hello again Littlewillydiplomat:
As you point out - I am not feeling any stretch at all at the moment (much as you could do with a stretch lol!) but I would rejoin in a flash if they lifted age requirements.
As you point out - I am not feeling any stretch at all at the moment (much as you could do with a stretch lol!) but I would rejoin in a flash if they lifted age requirements.
Ha, how can I compete with your razor wit?
However stretched we may be, we are not stretched enough to require the services of an armchair Napoleon, keen to dismiss any complaints of overstretch whilst not in a position to offer informed comment.
In fact, you're not CAS are you?
However stretched we may be, we are not stretched enough to require the services of an armchair Napoleon, keen to dismiss any complaints of overstretch whilst not in a position to offer informed comment.
In fact, you're not CAS are you?
Just a minor point but the MOD press team are overwhelmingly military staff. Pay a visit to DGMC and you'll see acres of SO2s and SO1s and very few Civil Servants. If you don't like the lines used, then you need to accept that there is a very strong liklihood that a military person came up with it.
As for MOD being Govt - total b*ll****. The MOD is everyone in the building and beyond - strange how you're all so quick to blame the CS for everything that goes wrong, yet as soon as the usual myths about who actually works in MB are quashed, people go quiet...
As for MOD being Govt - total b*ll****. The MOD is everyone in the building and beyond - strange how you're all so quick to blame the CS for everything that goes wrong, yet as soon as the usual myths about who actually works in MB are quashed, people go quiet...
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MGD - ROTFLMFAO.
I am deducing from your posts and past comments along with your title and I would hazard a guess you are a ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ censored (but I shall ask in a pm with my credentials)
I would surmise if you do what I think you do that you have a far greater idea about overstretch than an "armchair napoleon"
If the men with egg on hat knew all the gripes and shorts they would have kittens.........
tell the troops sausage side about not being overstretched.....
as to the detractors sat on shiny arse, they are all a bunch of remf's
I am deducing from your posts and past comments along with your title and I would hazard a guess you are a ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ censored (but I shall ask in a pm with my credentials)
I would surmise if you do what I think you do that you have a far greater idea about overstretch than an "armchair napoleon"
If the men with egg on hat knew all the gripes and shorts they would have kittens.........
tell the troops sausage side about not being overstretched.....
as to the detractors sat on shiny arse, they are all a bunch of remf's
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While MGD and cirrusfrance trade blows with handbags, the Torygraph has come up with an interesting think-piece:
Armed Forces: Why the top brass broke ranks - Telegraph
Equally interesting is the venom apparent in the comments from readers - some appear to blame the current shower in Government, others look back to Options for Change, whereas a few blame the senior officers in the military! There does seem to be a consensus, however, that a military coup would not find itself short of public support...
But then this is the Torygraph.
Armed Forces: Why the top brass broke ranks - Telegraph
Equally interesting is the venom apparent in the comments from readers - some appear to blame the current shower in Government, others look back to Options for Change, whereas a few blame the senior officers in the military! There does seem to be a consensus, however, that a military coup would not find itself short of public support...
But then this is the Torygraph.
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Armchair Napoleon is quite a fitting descriptor really
The cloudy frog tells us that
"As you point out - I am not feeling any stretch at all at the moment (much as you could do with a stretch lol!) but I would rejoin in a flash if they lifted age requirements."
Click on the link below, scroll down the page and check out the CV of a true hero, SAC Gary "Tommo" Thompson who, at a ripe old age paid the ultimate sacrifice, god rest his soul.
http://www.pprune.org/forums/militar...iment-cas.html
Armchair Napolean.............................seems about right
The cloudy frog tells us that
"As you point out - I am not feeling any stretch at all at the moment (much as you could do with a stretch lol!) but I would rejoin in a flash if they lifted age requirements."
Click on the link below, scroll down the page and check out the CV of a true hero, SAC Gary "Tommo" Thompson who, at a ripe old age paid the ultimate sacrifice, god rest his soul.
http://www.pprune.org/forums/militar...iment-cas.html
Armchair Napolean.............................seems about right
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The perception reality is that armed forces = good - MOD (Centre) = bad
By extension armed forces equates to uniforms and therefore Centre equates to civil servants.
This means that anyone in the Centre, not in a uniform, is a civil servant.
As for civil servants being Government, this of course is wrong as the whole civil service system serves the Government in power and is not, ipso facto, the Government.
"By extension armed forces equates to uniforms and therefore Centre equates to civil servants.
This means that anyone in the Centre, not in a uniform, is a civil servant."
Fair point - and a bloody good reason why staff in the centre should wear uniform, so people realise just how dominated MB is by military personnel. I was amazed at the RAF 90th b'day just how many RAF personnel worked in MB.
This means that anyone in the Centre, not in a uniform, is a civil servant."
Fair point - and a bloody good reason why staff in the centre should wear uniform, so people realise just how dominated MB is by military personnel. I was amazed at the RAF 90th b'day just how many RAF personnel worked in MB.
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It is a socially and morally bankrupt country.
looking at the age of some of our passenger jets, it might not be the enemy who cause it...depending on who you define as 'the enemy'.