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Old 2nd Jun 2008, 11:55
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I'll be glade to see 4x2250L tanks carried by Tornado, due to 1/48 model, there is enough space under fuselage to pick 2X2250L tanks.
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I'll be glade to see 4x2250L tanks carried by Tornado, due to 1/48 model, there is enough space under fuselage to pick 2X2250L tanks.
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is there kruger flap on Tornado? if there is, why we've never seen it in any photos? could you take photo to us?

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GR fleet only, and IIRC, welded shut?
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pba,

The Kruger flaps are not physically welded shut, but they are indeed inhibited. As far as I am aware, they still have to be maintained in a serviceable state, and are still part of the functional tests for the Flap/Slat and HLWSCU system, but are electrically inhibited afterwards.

The intake ramps on a GR Tornado are also inhibited, but this is carried out physically, with steel jury struts replacing the redundant actuators.


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If I recall correctly, the Krugers deployed with full-flap only and reduced the app speed by about 1 or 2 knots!
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Sorry for raising this old thread,
I am back to ask could Tornado carry anti-ship missile big as Hapoon at outboard pylon underwing??
How heavier the ECM pod and IR jamming pod the Tornado normally carried on outboard pylon?
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I guess it's OK to ask this now but I saw a TV programme a few weeks ago where an ex RAFG Tornado pilot was talking about nukes. Did the Tornado ever have a nuclear capability / role ?
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Big buckets of sunshine - YES/NO/MAYBE for more info check wiki on british nuclear weapons

A hapoon? or perhaps a harpoon, why would they carry a big pointy fish spear when in a hairyplane??, There were a GR sqn slated to a maritime role but I cannot remember what anti shipping weapon they carried.

Are you building a scale model Rousseau and trying to get the accuracy right??
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Some open source real world figures.

12(B) Sqn, Lossiemouth, maritime role with Sea Eagle on GR1(B) until the 90s.

4x1500l tanks used operationally by GR1(A)s in Gulf 1 on a regular basis. Internal recce kit hence no need for under fuselage weapons.

2x2250l inboard wings and 2x1500l underfuselage flown occasionally to ferry the GR4. That just gives Lajes - St Johns if headwind < 100kts. Take-off from Lajes is balanced with the cable, but it is a pig to fly!!

2x2250l is less drag than 3x1500 for the same fuel load, but the g limit with full 2250s is quite restrictive hence Sqns often use 3x1500l and a CBLS if they want more fuel and a respectable ish g limit.

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Sorry for the re-attack - Don't know mass of Harpoon - google it? BOZ and ECM pods are a bit short of 500kg each. No fits that I am aware of have anything other than BOZ/ECM on the outboard pylons.
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Oberon,

'WE.177 carriage on port centre pylon of Tornado'

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http://nuclear-weapons.info/images/0...ado-loaded.png

Inert drill WE.177 being loaded to a Tornado

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http://nuclear-weapons.info/images/0...do-loading.png

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RAF Marham - 31 Squadron Navigator achieves 4000 Tornado flying hours on OP TELIC

'‘Zonker’, or Daryll as his mother actually named him, first flew the Tornado in 1985. One of the aircraft he trained on has now been scrapped! Zonker moved on to XV(R) Sqn where he held nuclear Quick Reaction Alert during the cold war.'

House of Commons Hansard Written Answers for 20 Apr 1998 (pt 20)

'Mr. Matthew Taylor: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence when training for RAF pilots with the WE177 bomb was ended. [38959]

Dr. Reid: The last formal course for RAF aircrew took place in April 1997. This was supplemented by simulator continuation training in procedures on unit to maintain aircrew currency through to March 1998. The WE177 bomb was withdrawn from service on 31 March 1998.'

Details of NATO air forces nuclear role. Along with the UK the Germans and Italians also employed the Tornado in the nuclear delivery role.

http://www.nrdc.org/nuclear/euro/euro.pdf
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As this thread's wandered off to nukes, I happened to pop in to the Cosford museum on Sunday and was looking at the WE177s on display under the Valiant. I guess it's just possible that they weren't real ones, but what caught my eye was that the list of aircraft that have carried them included the Sea King...
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The best known 177 variants were the A and B. There was a C variant designated for nuclear depth charge / mine use.
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nuclear-weapons.info

Wessex

http://nuclear-weapons.info/images/w...sex-edited.jpg

Wasp

http://nuclear-weapons.info/images/we177-wasp.jpg

Sea King

http://nuclear-weapons.info/images/0...g-NDB-drop.png
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At the risk of seeming pedantic, it's called a shoulder pylon.
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Sorry for the re-attack - Don't know mass of Harpoon - google it? BOZ and ECM pods are a bit short of 500kg each. No fits that I am aware of have anything other than BOZ/ECM on the outboard pylons.
Terma now fitted to LH outboard. See www.terma.com/multimedia/Terma_Update_December_2008.pdf
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Just out currosity why did the RAF never order ECR Tornados? same as the German Luftwaffe? to give them a proper eletronic warfare aircraft that can keep up with strike packages , was it just price?

Also on the same note is it just the USA with the EA-6B, the new F18 Growler and the above mentioned german tornados who have a "fast" aircraft?
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Originally Posted by The Oberon
The best known 177 variants were the A and B. There was a C variant designated for nuclear depth charge / mine use.
No.

A = 600lb multi-mode
B = 950lb for V-Force
C = 950lb lower yield for SACEUR and fitted to Jaguar amongst others.

WE.177 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Vulcans in Camera - WE177.

The article on the following link states that the information is disputed. That is correct; the information is wrong in several respects.

The comment re-colour of the live weapon is correct in that the early weapons were white which was a better colour for internal carriage of ASW usage as the was better as reflecting thermal pulse. Later, for external carriage on tactical aircraft it was better for camouflage that they be painted green.
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Terma is now open source then.....LH outboard in place of the ECM.
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