quesion for panavia tornado

[rousseau]

Are there any pilots of panavia tornado in this forum?
If you are, may I ask:

Have you ever tried the top climb rate of this jet? if you have, what's the condition your endeavor on the basis of?

The BAe Lightning is an outstanding interceptor with amazing climb capability as we all known. Then how does the tornado compare with it?

According to published data, the initial climb rate the Tornado could approach even is higher than EF-2000 Typhoon, can you rebut it?

Is it possible that Hiddenberg external fuel tank which we normally seen under tornado's wing could be carried under fuselage? if could, who are glad to share such photo to me?

thanks in advance

[gashman]

F3 initial climb rate is probably better because it gets airborne a tad faster. Once it gets above about thirty feet above the ground, I'd have thought the Typhoon would have the edge.

Can't remember the max rate of climb, but if you are flying at 800kts at sea level and pull back, it's about 800kts upwards. Which is a lot. Sustained climb rates in the open source info are probably close enough to reality.

[soddim]

The Lightning was indeed a superb interceptor in its day but it lacked a good weapons system. The Tornado eventually got a good weapons system but it is a bit of a slouch in the climb although with liberal use of reheat it can achieve respectable time to its operating height.

I would not compare its climb rate with Typhoon.

I doubt anybody with accurate knowledge of the figures you are asking for would post them in this open forum.

[taxydual]

Wikipedia give these specs. Notice though, no citation is given for the accuracy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panavia...4_.28IDS.29.29

[Exrigger]

To add to Taxydual's Wikipedia link ref Tornado, here is the Lightning and Typhoon with the same caveat about accuracy/validity:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurofighter_Typhoon

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Electric_Lightning

[taxydual]

Thanks Exrigger, I should have thought to include the comparisons myself.

Doh!!!

[rousseau]

let's do some proportional thing

EF-2000 Typhoon: from brake released to 10973 meters during less than 2 minutes.
If this means a velocity of climb at sea level will be 315m/s

then
Panavia Tornado: from brake released to 9150 meters during less than 2 minutes.
what its velocity of climb at sea level will be?

I think that will be faster than BAe Lightning at least if my arithmetics does right way.

[cornish-stormrider]

Beadwindow.......???

Rousseau, not wanting to seem disrespectful but you pitch up on here with no history and start asking deep and meaningful questions, there are a few suspicious types on here. maybe if you explained a little more about who and why etc someone might be willing to give you more info.

[Ali Barber]

When I went from Lightning to the Tornado F2(!), the spec said that the Tornado would get to 25,000 ft a few seconds quicker than a Lightning. This was true in reheat, but if you relied on cold power only, the Lightning would have got there, finished it's sortie and pilot would be back in the crewroom while the Tornado was still climbing!

[reallydeskbound]

When I went from Lightning to the Tornado F2(!), the spec said that the Tornado would get to 25,000 ft a few seconds quicker than a Lightning. This was true in reheat, but if you relied on cold power only, the Lightning would have got there, finished it's sortie and pilot would be back in the crewroom while the Tornado was still climbing!

Ch***t Steve you still in Oman?????

Ref the above quote - yes provided the Lightning's target was just off Spurn Point!

[advocatusDIABOLI]

Rousou,

Definitive answer for you: The Typhoon will be the fastest, Lightning second and Tornado F3 last, but not far behind.

All, will make 30,000Ft in pretty short order, but that misses the point somewhat. In the modern age, 'Combat Climb' is pretty unimportant, Loiter time matters much more. With modern weapons systems, rarely do you actually need to match your opponents altitude, often you can let the missile do the work! Time to height comes from the days of guns only, or very close range missiles (ie Lightning)

However, if you need to visually identify a target, all bets are off, but again the Typhoon will win at all altitudes. (Because it can fly slower higher than the other types)

Hope this helps, and I don't think I've let any secrets go!

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[Dominoe]

Seaking beats F3 to 10,000 - every time !

In the Falklands the mighty Seaking used to easilybeat the F3 from brakes off to 10,000. 78 won many a beer from 1435 Flt proving it.

[rousseau]

cornish-stormrider:

master:
I don't know why asking climb rate is a sort of deep and meaningful thing?
The record of climb rate of F-15 was revealed after its entried service only 2 years.

[maxburner]

Dominoe, How many missiles did the Sea King haul to 10,000 ft in its race with the F3?

[Occasional Aviator]

Certainly a Merlin or Chinook could carry a whole cabin full of missiles and still beat an F3 brakes-off to 10K.....

[taxydual]

No missiles, but 78 once did it with Al Pork's Park Pie's on board. Talk about Skyflash!!!

[advocatusDIABOLI]

Dominoe,

Yes, the vertical lift, climb, brakes off at 200Ft to go...... won some beers, but means nothing in this chat.

In truth, my question is: Typhoon or Lightning F3 (Full Blower)???? Anyone??? 0-30k

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[blue monday]

Im sure i read somewhere something along the lines of an aircraft has at last beaten the EE lightning in the 0ld 0-30000 ft run, and it was a typhoon, will have a look on google later and see if i can find the article.

[EyesFront]

F15 v Saturn V

I recall the F15 adverts claiming that it could beat a Saturn V moonshot from brakes off to - I think - 70,000 feet. After that the Saturn started to pull away ...

I suspect that the F15 was the first aircraft that could give a Lightning a real contest in climbing to altitude, but I remember poring over my dog-eared Observer's Book of Aircraft and noting that the Draken ran it quite close on published figures

[advocatusDIABOLI]

Current Time To Alt Record........

Sub-class : C-1 (Landplanes)
Group 3 : turbo-jet
Time to climb to a height of 25 000 m (82 000Ft!) : 2 min 34.2s
Date of flight: 17/05/1975
Pilot: Alexandr FEDOTOV (USSR)
Course/place: Podmoskovnoe (USSR)
Aircraft:
Mikoyan/Gurevitch E-266M (Mig 25 M 'Foxbat') (2 RD-F, 14 000 kg each)

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