Typhoon Wheels-up Trial in China Lake?
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The thing needs a computer to put the wheels down ?!
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Thank you, Daily Mail readers, for brightening up the afternoon:
Will this pilot be flying with nuclear weapons?
Hope that he doesn't deploy them accidentally - or as the RAF insider quoted 'Everything points to the pilot forgetting -- which does happen from time to time.
Should we be worried?
Hope that he doesn't deploy them accidentally - or as the RAF insider quoted 'Everything points to the pilot forgetting -- which does happen from time to time.
Should we be worried?
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Originally Posted by Daily Snail article
Engineers will examine the plane to see whether it is safe to fly back to Britain or whether it should be returned to the UK on board a carrier.
I don't know if a CVN will be heading that way anytime soon... but then this would be the first Typhoon on a carrier, eh? Typhoon-N?
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777?
Puff mc call says:
Don't these fancy modern jets have a sweet little vioce that say's 'TOO LOW GEAR" or words to that affect
All that money and no talking radalt.... got one on my 777.
I say, Oh POO, would`nt get on a 777 for all the tea in China lake!
Don't these fancy modern jets have a sweet little vioce that say's 'TOO LOW GEAR" or words to that affect
All that money and no talking radalt.... got one on my 777.
I say, Oh POO, would`nt get on a 777 for all the tea in China lake!
> Maybe there's a design snag in the audio warning system - carbon fibre just doesn't give that instinctive scraping sound...
When it takes MIL thrust to initiate taxi...
When it takes MIL thrust to initiate taxi...
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I have just been scanning your previous posts and you appear to be an extremely bitter and twisted ex-member of the RAF. Next time, before you make an abusive comment like the one above, perhaps you should wait until you know the full facts of the incident and then THINK before you type. Although I realise that that may not be possible.
I have just been scanning your previous posts and you appear to be an extremely bitter and twisted ex-member of the RAF. Next time, before you make an abusive comment like the one above, perhaps you should wait until you know the full facts of the incident and then THINK before you type. Although I realise that that may not be possible.
This has been a very interesting thread. I'd guess that not one in a hundred posters here has seen a Typhoon cockpit, and probably less than one in a thousand has any access to the facts of this incident. Nevertheless, various people have blamed the pilot or the design, or both, and have advocated stopping pay or even, somehow, pulled Prince William into the debate.
Give it a rest! I know it's rumour network, but this is beyond a joke. Accept it, you don't know what happened and for most of you, you never will.
Rant over. Now I must get back to the beach.
Give it a rest! I know it's rumour network, but this is beyond a joke. Accept it, you don't know what happened and for most of you, you never will.
Rant over. Now I must get back to the beach.
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Always found it peculiar that US bases do not have a runway caravan as per Brit bases, not least because of the sizes of some US bases where the approach is some considerable distance from the tower.
Presumably IF an aircraft was approaching an RAF base without one or more of it's wheels deployed this (should) be picked up by the Air Trafficer manning the caravan? Just a thought.
Presumably IF an aircraft was approaching an RAF base without one or more of it's wheels deployed this (should) be picked up by the Air Trafficer manning the caravan? Just a thought.
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Activating Rumour Control.
I did hear of an incident at ISL a while back where a pair of Master Race were bringing a mighty thunder sled of the GR4 variety into land and the girly in the caravan did have to remind them of "undercarrige". GIF was hugely embarrassed and claimed he was doing a late drop of the wheels, I think his excuse was he was testing the caravan controller was awake.
Said girlie kicked teddie out of pram, went and found them then ripped them both to bits with a huge tirade ending with something along the lines of the old growbag comments........ (green, full of sh*t, smells bad) GIF then moaned to his boss who had already had a nice chat with satco.
One crew, duty dogsbody over easter, one girlie getting tea and medals.
IIRC the rumour was that the crew were given duty dogsbody not for the wheels but because GIF had the temerity to try and lie his way out of it.
Integrity, costs nothing. Worth, a fortune
I did hear of an incident at ISL a while back where a pair of Master Race were bringing a mighty thunder sled of the GR4 variety into land and the girly in the caravan did have to remind them of "undercarrige". GIF was hugely embarrassed and claimed he was doing a late drop of the wheels, I think his excuse was he was testing the caravan controller was awake.
Said girlie kicked teddie out of pram, went and found them then ripped them both to bits with a huge tirade ending with something along the lines of the old growbag comments........ (green, full of sh*t, smells bad) GIF then moaned to his boss who had already had a nice chat with satco.
One crew, duty dogsbody over easter, one girlie getting tea and medals.
IIRC the rumour was that the crew were given duty dogsbody not for the wheels but because GIF had the temerity to try and lie his way out of it.
Integrity, costs nothing. Worth, a fortune
cornish-stormrider, what a sorry tale. I hope that the bomber crew gave their boss a thorough hats-on listening-to!
Top marks to the lass in the caravan - both for stopping the potential wheels-up and for sticking to her guns. The bomber pukes should have sent her something to thank her, not lied like cheap Changi watches!
Top marks to the lass in the caravan - both for stopping the potential wheels-up and for sticking to her guns. The bomber pukes should have sent her something to thank her, not lied like cheap Changi watches!
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I suppose it's too much to hope for that this unfortunate faux-pas by a professional boy in blue will lead to a reduction in comments by blue Prune posters about an earlier cocked-up landing in Islay by a mere amateur?
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I'm interested in the Nagging Nora voice, is it a real persons voice?
A long time ago I had heard/read/saw that Nagging Nora had a boyfriend
, I can't for the life of me remember where I got this from..
So Is there anyone who knows if Nagging Nora has a male counter part voice that just gives non critical Info? or was it just too much for the pilot to listen too all the gabble.
Was it ever implemented on the Typhoon or was it just a rig mockup???
The psychological reason is that a man is hard wired to listen to women, yes strange but true, and slightly scary.
i.e. if a male and a female speak at the same time the guy filters out the other male voice.
This may be reversed for women!!, but my I only have my wife to test that on, and she doesn't listen to me.
Cheers
A long time ago I had heard/read/saw that Nagging Nora had a boyfriend
, I can't for the life of me remember where I got this from.. So Is there anyone who knows if Nagging Nora has a male counter part voice that just gives non critical Info? or was it just too much for the pilot to listen too all the gabble.
Was it ever implemented on the Typhoon or was it just a rig mockup???
The psychological reason is that a man is hard wired to listen to women, yes strange but true, and slightly scary.
i.e. if a male and a female speak at the same time the guy filters out the other male voice.
This may be reversed for women!!, but my I only have my wife to test that on, and she doesn't listen to me.
Cheers
I've popped up some Typhoon practice display snaps on the following thread. Congrats to the team and all the best for the airshow season!
http://forums.airshows.co.uk/cgi-bin...9;t=47067;st=0
Not bad flying for a Kiwi!
http://www.typhoondisplay.com/the_team.html
Cheers
TJ
http://forums.airshows.co.uk/cgi-bin...9;t=47067;st=0
Not bad flying for a Kiwi!
http://www.typhoondisplay.com/the_team.html
Cheers
TJ
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Bloody hell cant be that difficult to remember... sodding crabs! 
Now my (pretty poor) banter is over, I can think of a number of incidents where gear was lowered a little later than normal (some a few days late). It's not a new phenomenom and so long as there's a human in the loop it'll carry on (that is NOT to say that computers are infalible either!).
Whether you see 'Human Factors,' or whatever today's version is called, as a 'reason' or 'excuse,' I would think anyone taking the moral high ground is taking a risk... after all, it's not as though you know you won't do the same yourself - there but for the grace of God and all that
Now my (pretty poor) banter is over, I can think of a number of incidents where gear was lowered a little later than normal (some a few days late). It's not a new phenomenom and so long as there's a human in the loop it'll carry on (that is NOT to say that computers are infalible either!).
Whether you see 'Human Factors,' or whatever today's version is called, as a 'reason' or 'excuse,' I would think anyone taking the moral high ground is taking a risk... after all, it's not as though you know you won't do the same yourself - there but for the grace of God and all that
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Pointless Pointy Thing
Just leave it in the desert!!!!
Perhaps some ill cat (think about it chaps) could saw the wings off and go for a land-speed record one day.
After all, it's not of any use in any deserts to the East!
Furthermore, it's already served it's purpose - i.e. a vehicle to transfer taxpayers' money from the Defence Budget into the BAE coffers. Oh, and possibly, aledgedly, a few quid into a certain Arab Prince's "entertainment budget".
But of course BAE will be doing the mending, so they get paid yet again for fixing the pointless pointy thing.
By the way; any votes for there NOT having been a golden-gloved wonder-pilot at the controls believing that he (or she!) was better than the wisdom of the GPWS?
Perhaps some ill cat (think about it chaps) could saw the wings off and go for a land-speed record one day.
After all, it's not of any use in any deserts to the East!
Furthermore, it's already served it's purpose - i.e. a vehicle to transfer taxpayers' money from the Defence Budget into the BAE coffers. Oh, and possibly, aledgedly, a few quid into a certain Arab Prince's "entertainment budget".
But of course BAE will be doing the mending, so they get paid yet again for fixing the pointless pointy thing.
By the way; any votes for there NOT having been a golden-gloved wonder-pilot at the controls believing that he (or she!) was better than the wisdom of the GPWS?
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GPWS - I assume this is a reference to how it is moded during landing phases (which I don't know).
Obviously the GPWS does give you Pull Up cues when it calculates the aircraft will impact the ground given a number of variables. Now obviously you don't want this going off when you're landing (you are intentionally flying into the ground), so it will be inhibited somehow (I don't know how this happens) - but an obvious mechanism would be to link it to something like "landing phase", or wheels down.
You can see a case for leaving the GPWS function running whenever the wheels are up, but don't know whether this would still make sense from a Typhoon system perspective - I think this is what TOPBUNKER is alluding to (certainly it is hard to miss the massive great arrow and pull up cue in the HUD when a GPWS event is activated - so if it was tripped it would take some ignoring!).
Obviously the GPWS does give you Pull Up cues when it calculates the aircraft will impact the ground given a number of variables. Now obviously you don't want this going off when you're landing (you are intentionally flying into the ground), so it will be inhibited somehow (I don't know how this happens) - but an obvious mechanism would be to link it to something like "landing phase", or wheels down.
You can see a case for leaving the GPWS function running whenever the wheels are up, but don't know whether this would still make sense from a Typhoon system perspective - I think this is what TOPBUNKER is alluding to (certainly it is hard to miss the massive great arrow and pull up cue in the HUD when a GPWS event is activated - so if it was tripped it would take some ignoring!).
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For info, on the GR.4 the GPWS is inhibited below 200kts, hence it doesn't go off on landing. If you're doing a wings back approach (where your threshold speed is above 200kts) you have to manually switch it off.
If the Typhoon uses the same system (more than likely) then the GPWS wouldn't have prevented it as it it based on speed.
Hope this helps!
If the Typhoon uses the same system (more than likely) then the GPWS wouldn't have prevented it as it it based on speed.
Hope this helps!