Advice for a civvy flying into a Mil airbase please
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Well you learn something new everyday! Followed the link out of curiosity and discovered prefixing your callsign with TYRO will indicate to ATC that you would like them to S P E A K - S L O W L Y - A N D - C L E A R L Y to you...
Now would that work with the Septics on OPs I wonder......
Now would that work with the Septics on OPs I wonder......
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And this gem:
"In order to consider the request, certain information is usually needed, so be ready to give the following:
• Pilot’s name (and those of all passengers) (frequent visitors may require security clearance)
• Aircraft type and registration
• Aerodrome of departure
• Estimated time of arrival at the MATZ (if applicable) or ATZ boundary
• Intended time of departure from the military aerodrome
• Reason for the visit (appointment in nearby town, visit friends etc)
"In order to consider the request, certain information is usually needed, so be ready to give the following:
• Pilot’s name (and those of all passengers) (frequent visitors may require security clearance)
• Aircraft type and registration
• Aerodrome of departure
• Estimated time of arrival at the MATZ (if applicable) or ATZ boundary
• Intended time of departure from the military aerodrome
• Reason for the visit (appointment in nearby town, visit friends etc)
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Who's staish there now?
At the time the last TV prog about being a steely eyed killer came out it was Russ Torbet - if it still is then let me know, as I went through NCO training with Russ I'll let you know about the secret 6FTS handshake and so forth. (I like to think we both got on pretty well, after 23 years I was an FS and Russ had gone from Sgt to Air Chief Commodore with chocolate , icing, and silver bells or similar).
Otherwise as per previous advice barring the navy guff - ignore anything to do with naval tradition, flying low over Culbin on the KSS approach is quite sufficient to alert those indulging in equitation (lower the better), followed by a run and break the wrong way up KSS 26 before rolling out over Lossie - let the G pump the U/C down as you roll and pull, it's a style issue.
The traditional greeting, when the SDO arrives, is lifted directly from 'Blazing Saddles' by the way - 'Where are de white women at?' is considered perfectly acceptable north of the border.
Hope this helps overcome those initial protocol questions.
Dave
(Or you could just land, taxy where ATC tell you to, and put a thankyou on the end of your closedown call - which is how the wimpsdo it).
Edited, as ever, for spelingew
At the time the last TV prog about being a steely eyed killer came out it was Russ Torbet - if it still is then let me know, as I went through NCO training with Russ I'll let you know about the secret 6FTS handshake and so forth. (I like to think we both got on pretty well, after 23 years I was an FS and Russ had gone from Sgt to Air Chief Commodore with chocolate , icing, and silver bells or similar).
Otherwise as per previous advice barring the navy guff - ignore anything to do with naval tradition, flying low over Culbin on the KSS approach is quite sufficient to alert those indulging in equitation (lower the better), followed by a run and break the wrong way up KSS 26 before rolling out over Lossie - let the G pump the U/C down as you roll and pull, it's a style issue.
The traditional greeting, when the SDO arrives, is lifted directly from 'Blazing Saddles' by the way - 'Where are de white women at?' is considered perfectly acceptable north of the border.
Hope this helps overcome those initial protocol questions.
Dave
(Or you could just land, taxy where ATC tell you to, and put a thankyou on the end of your closedown call - which is how the wimpsdo it).
Edited, as ever, for spelingew
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Hmm,
he's safe then - wasn't even in the boy scouts with that chap...
Most of the people I served with are easy to spot, they have a sort of nervous twitch...dunno why...
he's safe then - wasn't even in the boy scouts with that chap...
Most of the people I served with are easy to spot, they have a sort of nervous twitch...dunno why...
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Welcome back from holiday youngskywalker.
Buy me that coffee you promised and I can give you the lowdown from a similar perspective to yours! (No Golden Rivets in sight).
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Buy me that coffee you promised and I can give you the lowdown from a similar perspective to yours! (No Golden Rivets in sight).
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The holiday was too short, the plane has been in maintenance for ages, ever since I got back! Suits me though as the weather in Glasgow was a bit challenging for my first week in the left seat, with little or no sign of improvement! I'm sure I could fit in a coffee sometime, give me a ring!
P.S Or better still you can come and keep me right when I blat into the Lossie zone at 240kts with no clue what to do next...
P.S Or better still you can come and keep me right when I blat into the Lossie zone at 240kts with no clue what to do next...
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Just check the Wardroom roof, would you? It's only 33 years since "Fly Navy" was inscribed as a parting gift, the new residents might not have noticed yet 
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Make sure you know the VHF R/T frequencies etc. as they probably use UHF as their normal means of communication, 122.1 used to be NATO standard but that could have long gone. You may be asked for your landing fees too, unless your company has an agreement, years ago Lynham always wanted cash!
You could of course go via the ABZ CTA,and give TAD a wave!Otherwise, do as everyone suggests, wear your 4 gold rings,and a nice shiny hat ,hire one for the day; a bag of small trinkets would help `smooth` the way,including beads,sweets,combs,little coffee sachets,no cream/milk, they drink it straight from goats, and perhaps a newspaper, even a mirror- check your hair and eye-shadow,and then give it to the `Chief`...be careful,he may want to `rub-noses`,but don`t take offence !A suitable guard should be employed ,otherwise you might find the a/c has been `bricked` to keep the ones at Cranwell flying, and keep your eyes peeled for the Lighthouse,it may be camouflaged !!!!!! Oh, and if they should offer you a local `brew` called a `dram` it would be discourteous not to drink several...that way you will avoid the offer of a `local hen`...your return flight should be truly enjoyable, for you ,if not your pax !!! Have a safe trip..S
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Originally Posted by younskywalker'
Or better still you can come and keep me right when I blat into the Lossie zone at 240kts with no clue what to do next...
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Tornado's will join at 400kts into the visual circuit so keep eyes out and there are no low breaks at Lossie due to bird hazards and local issues. The Staish is the ex-boss of 617 Sqn and the old mess was torn down 10 years back and a new one built. Lossie is a fantastic place and I'm sure you'll find their hospitality to your liking. Have a good time.
Actually it was noticed a few years back and the whole bulding was knocked down; can't have that sort of heresy polluting the place after all...
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Actually it was noticed a few years back and the whole bulding was knocked down
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Thanks for that link, as somone who hopes to get his tower civvy ATC 'wings' (my preffered career choice
), it was very interesting to read.
For mil pilots flying to civvy airfields the initial run and break is not taught as part of the civvy ATC syllabus
, therefore if you turn up and shout 'Inititials old chep!' don't be surprised if the controller says something like 'er juliet bravo' and may not have a scooby where you are!
Seriously though it's worth bearing in mind that if its a civvy unit that does not have regular mil visitors, an initials call may not be expected or responded to how you 'normally' expect it to be.
js
Thanks for that link, as somone who hopes to get his tower civvy ATC 'wings' (my preffered career choice
), it was very interesting to read.For mil pilots flying to civvy airfields the initial run and break is not taught as part of the civvy ATC syllabus
, therefore if you turn up and shout 'Inititials old chep!' don't be surprised if the controller says something like 'er juliet bravo' and may not have a scooby where you are!Seriously though it's worth bearing in mind that if its a civvy unit that does not have regular mil visitors, an initials call may not be expected or responded to how you 'normally' expect it to be.
js
