Advice for a civvy flying into a Mil airbase please
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Advice for a civvy flying into a Mil airbase please
Hi, I don't normally pop my head above the parapet on the mil' forum but i'm just after some information regarding landing a corporate Kingair into a military airbase (EGQS) in the next few weeks. I've never actually landed at a military base before and wondered if there are any different or unusual procedures I should be aware of, perhaps with the RT maybe? I have already been granted permission from the base and we have the required aircraft insurance, it's just me that needs educating!
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hmm, me thinks I will stay aboard the aircraft until the pax return, my co pilot is the chap for initiating! 
I'm forgetting it used to be a naval base, is that why they have painted all the GR4's pink recently?
I'm forgetting it used to be a naval base, is that why they have painted all the GR4's pink recently?
Lossie was originally an RAF station, it was not handed over to the Fleet Air Arm until 1946.
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Royal Air Force Lossiemouth was built during 1938 and 1939 with 15 Flying Training School forming in April 1939. The first aircraft to use Lossiemouth regularly were Oxfords and Harvards but, due to the location and good weather, many different types of aircraft were frequently diverted to the Station. In April 1940 the Station was handed over to Bomber Command and 20 Operational Training Unit was formed. Although mainly a training unit for Bomber crews during WWII, some operational raids were launched from Lossiemouth, the most important being 617 “The Dambusters” Squadron’s successful attack on the Tirpitz, pride of the German battle fleet, on 12 November 1944.
At the end of the hostilities the Station became a satellite unit of Milltown in Coastal Command, before being handed over to the Fleet Air Arm in 1946 and becoming HMS FULMAR, RNAS Lossiemouth. The Fleet Air Arm used Lossiemouth as a training station with pilots receiving their basic training here before moving to Culdrose for instrument training. The final stage of training, (deck-landing) was practised at Milltown, before students were allowed to land on HMS Theseus in the Moray Firth.
The Fleet Air Arm handed the Station back to the Royal Air Force on 28 September 1972
At the end of the hostilities the Station became a satellite unit of Milltown in Coastal Command, before being handed over to the Fleet Air Arm in 1946 and becoming HMS FULMAR, RNAS Lossiemouth. The Fleet Air Arm used Lossiemouth as a training station with pilots receiving their basic training here before moving to Culdrose for instrument training. The final stage of training, (deck-landing) was practised at Milltown, before students were allowed to land on HMS Theseus in the Moray Firth.
The Fleet Air Arm handed the Station back to the Royal Air Force on 28 September 1972
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Arrestor cables (I can't remember whether Lossie has any). They are normally about 1500ft from each threshold and, if my geriatric memory serves me correctly, a King Air needs to taxy over them rather slowly (ie don't plan of trampling them at any significant speed).
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Youngskywalker, perhaps you should ring Lossie ATC as they cover Kinloss & sh*t. They'll be able to tell you what to say & that, for real yeah...
Don't disrespect the SATCO, he'll clip your wings & sh*t & be totally random on your ass.
I'm sure somebody who is actually at work will be able to get you the number...
Best number I have is 01343 812121 (grabbed from the web site).
Youngskywalker, perhaps you should ring Lossie ATC as they cover Kinloss & sh*t. They'll be able to tell you what to say & that, for real yeah...
Don't disrespect the SATCO, he'll clip your wings & sh*t & be totally random on your ass.
I'm sure somebody who is actually at work will be able to get you the number...
Best number I have is 01343 812121 (grabbed from the web site).
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Brilliant, keep them coming! I guess I should have expected this!
In the absence of any further information can I just join the circuit like the FJ mates do? Perhaps I'd best not if I want to keep my job!
Thanks for the number, I'll be sure to do that before I set off!
In the absence of any further information can I just join the circuit like the FJ mates do? Perhaps I'd best not if I want to keep my job!
Thanks for the number, I'll be sure to do that before I set off!
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It is normal as a visiting Captain to make a courtesy call on the Station CO. Make sure you have embossed (not printed) calling/business cards. Best to call his PA in advance so she/he can send the car to collect you from the tower.
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Youngskywalker,
If I were you I'd get hold of a military Low Flying Chart. You'll notice lots of small red squares and red diamonds - these mark the arrival and approach route into military airfields. The squares have to be flown over low and the diamonds really low. Just join as many up as you can and you won't go far wrong. Take my advice and I guarantee the Station Commander will meet you personally on your arrival. Good Luck.
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If I were you I'd get hold of a military Low Flying Chart. You'll notice lots of small red squares and red diamonds - these mark the arrival and approach route into military airfields. The squares have to be flown over low and the diamonds really low. Just join as many up as you can and you won't go far wrong. Take my advice and I guarantee the Station Commander will meet you personally on your arrival. Good Luck.
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Pure Pursuit said:
"Random!
Youngskywalker, perhaps you should ring Lossie ATC as they cover Kinloss & sh*t. They'll be able to tell you what to say & that, for real yeah...
Don't disrespect the SATCO, he'll clip your wings & sh*t & be totally random on your ass.
I'm sure somebody who is actually at work will be able to get you the number...
Best number I have is 01343 812121 (grabbed from the web site)."
Goodness Me!!!!! I really need to get down with the kids in the 'hood if they all talk this cak!!!!!!!
That sounds like another language!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Or am I just getting old.......??
"Random!
Youngskywalker, perhaps you should ring Lossie ATC as they cover Kinloss & sh*t. They'll be able to tell you what to say & that, for real yeah...
Don't disrespect the SATCO, he'll clip your wings & sh*t & be totally random on your ass.
I'm sure somebody who is actually at work will be able to get you the number...
Best number I have is 01343 812121 (grabbed from the web site)."
Goodness Me!!!!! I really need to get down with the kids in the 'hood if they all talk this cak!!!!!!!
That sounds like another language!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Or am I just getting old.......??
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SJ try this
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...mstrong+miller
There are several sketches, all brilliant.
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...mstrong+miller
There are several sketches, all brilliant.
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Youngskywalker
Don't forget you'll be expected to do a "run in and break" and mimic the other fighter traffic in the circuit. (I'm not sure if "fighter" applies to the F3 Tornado, more a term I associate with the F3 and F6 Lightning, but times are changing and the Typhoon is a worthy "F" candidate!
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In the case of a KingAir a RIAB will no doubt mean a VNE dive from height (not altitude as you be using QFE, not QHN) starting from a position on the extended centreline of the runway in use aiming to arrive at 500 feet, abeam the tower, at vmax followed by a "break" involving a max G climbing turn (throttle closed, airbrakes out) to level at 1,000 ft onto "downwind"; this gets you decelerating nicely to flap and gear limiting speeds, so you can dirty up - followed by a continuous decending turn to finals. Get it right and you'll just get the wings level as you touchdown "on the numbers", not the piano keys mind - the're slippery when wet!
As mentioned before, avoid the cables, they don't like props and do bounce when trampled.....
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Much more fun than "square" Civvy circuits - and you'll get down quicker too.
MB
Don't forget you'll be expected to do a "run in and break" and mimic the other fighter traffic in the circuit. (I'm not sure if "fighter" applies to the F3 Tornado, more a term I associate with the F3 and F6 Lightning, but times are changing and the Typhoon is a worthy "F" candidate!
)In the case of a KingAir a RIAB will no doubt mean a VNE dive from height (not altitude as you be using QFE
, not QHN) starting from a position on the extended centreline of the runway in use aiming to arrive at 500 feet, abeam the tower, at vmax followed by a "break" involving a max G climbing turn (throttle closed, airbrakes out) to level at 1,000 ft onto "downwind"; this gets you decelerating nicely to flap and gear limiting speeds, so you can dirty up - followed by a continuous decending turn to finals. Get it right and you'll just get the wings level as you touchdown "on the numbers", not the piano keys mind - the're slippery when wet!As mentioned before, avoid the cables, they don't like props and do bounce when trampled.....
.Much more fun than "square" Civvy circuits - and you'll get down quicker too.
MB
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Excellent stuff, I'll be sure to give the station CO a ring when I arrive, I expect he will send out the staff car to meet me and somebody to polish my shoes? After all, a chap ought to look smart infront of the men.
No need to dive for vne in the old King Air, it will easily get there in level flight, 240kts to a 2 mile final is fairly norm
No need to dive for vne in the old King Air, it will easily get there in level flight, 240kts to a 2 mile final is fairly norm
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