muppetofthenorth

Do those threads prevent serving aircrew from posting?

1.4G

A lot of them are Nostalgia, Jet Blast and spotters corner threads and as PPRuNe Towers has already said there was and would be again a shriek fest if they were to be moved. Why would current serving aircrew want to discuss "MOD payouts to Civil servants" for instance?
If you look at e-goat, sorry PPRuNe Towers, they have got it right in the way their site is broken down into different sections and I agree this would probably not be possible here but surely if I wanted to look at endless photos of Tornados, Typhoon and Hercules flying through Wales I would go to spotters corner and look there.

Maybe a compromise would be to have more stickys. One for current affairs, one for photos, and one for military Nostalgia.

Tourist

Muppet.
No, but they certainlyput current aircrew off. You will hear many people in the crewroom saying" no, I don't tend to go on pprune anymore, it doesn't seem to be for actual mil aircrew anymore"

Agent Smelly

Try asking his AEO at the time why he punched this CRM nightmare.

Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story. It is his fantasising that has become all too real for him and that is how he gets others to defend him. He probably told you that the Victor was going to crash anyway and that it was his skill that saved the crews lives.

He prefers to slink away and allow some disillusioned, well meaning sucker take up the cudgels on his behalf, little knowing that all of it is true. The PNG legal system is not insurmountable but I somehow doubt he'd want it to get that far as he'd have to expose all the gory details.

We couldn't have all those skeletons tumbling out of his closet now, could we?

Whirlygig

But Pprune isn't for Military Aircrew. It's for a whole variety of people; some of whom may be military aircrew but others are private/GA flyers, instructors, professional airline pilots (for whom Pprune was originally started), all sorts.

As it's progressed, different fora have appeared to cater for different sections of the aviation community.

But it seems that some people rarely like to step outside the comfort zone of their own favoured forum and venture to Nostalgia, Spotters, Jet Blast. What does it matter? There are people who never leave Rumours & News; hence the irrelevant threads there; similarly some never leave Rotorheads or Private Flying.

Cheers

Whirls

1.4G

You see what I mean? How random is that?
Has anybody mentioned thread drift yet?

Here is a clue for you whirls.

Tourist

So.
An aircraft crashed.
Nobody died.
It was a victor, so it was a long time ago, so it probably happened in black and white.
Woopdy do.
Sounds boring.
If someone has something to say about the crash, perhaps they should have grown a pair at the time of the investigation, rather than hinting in a wussy manner now that everbody involved has retired from the military?

Whirlygig

And here's a clue for you - Pprune is not for Military Aircrew. Pprune stands for Professional Pilots' Rumour Network and has a forum WITHIN it called Military Aircrew. There are other fora within Pprune as well.

Pprune does not equal Military Aircrew.

Cheers

Whirls

1.4G

Sorry Whirls but I think you are getting all steamed up over nothing. This section of PPRuNe is for the Military Aviators and Ground crew to start rumours of a military nature. I am not really sure what point you are trying to put over, but why do people get all upset when it is suggested that a thread is moved to a more suitable part of PPRuNe such as Nostalgia or Jet Blast.

Conan The Barber

So the good Agent decides to resurface from 1998 and grace us with his eloguence.

Supposedly a seasoned poster with a tally of 19 under his belt. Do a post search and count 1, 2, 3, 19? Registered in 2007, so apparently jumped into his H.G. Wells contraption to post 9 years earlier.

Think manipulation and who has the ability.

Pontius Navigator

Indeed.

However you are using unsupported emotive language without regard to the facts.

How do you know he is slinking? May be he is being prevented appearing. If you do a search for his posts from YESTERDAY you will find none. If you do a search for his posts from a WEEK AGO guess what. You find he was posting yesterday too. In other words there are some untoward features in the software that disappear and reappear people, apparently yourself included.

Then you suggest again an emotive descriptor but disillusioned with what?

Back on thread ~ using another thread to troll on a different topic.

Pontius Navigator

1.4g

It is, very loosely, Military Aircrew Threads. Once again it is carrying a sub-level thread rather than an overt 'lets bring it in the open, hand bags at dawn' standup fight.

The iss ue is one where a thread started about the Victor crash. It degenerated and was pulled.

Another thread was hijacked and ran on two levels.

Now this thread has been similarly hijacked.

All the while the subject of the thread has had his access to pprune suspended. Make of it what you will but there may even be a third level of debate here that I haven't noticed either.

Lipstick skewed, handbags ready, seconds out. . . round 4

Jackonicko

"I can tell you for sure that samuraipratt is one or all of the following:

A Walt
A Troll
A Wannabe
A total Arrse

Can anyone think of anything that I may have missed."

I can. Lots of things. Including the fact that Samuraitwat has sometimes given every appearance of being a stupid, poorly educated, incoherent and inarticulate f*ckwit. I'm sure he isn't, and that you've covered everything polite.

I am becoming puzzled by these regular veiled attacks on a fellow PPRuNer. After some disquiet was expressed about intemperate language on another thread, Danny issued a manful apology, and everyone seemed to have kissed and made up. And now a poster who hasn't been arsed to comment on anything for several years has attacked our Victor-flying chum three times within the space of a single day. I'll bet poor old Danny is smacking his forehead wondering what he has to do to make this go away!

I don't know much about libel (I'm only a print journo, why would that bother me?) but it would seem to me that Agent Smelly is bent on defaming someone who is, at the end of the day, just a fellow aviator.

Can't someone post the details of the Victor BoI/accident report so that we can judge for ourselves whether criticising a fellow pilot in this way is in any way justified (whether this was the mark of an incompetent as Agent S avers, or whether it was one of those unfortunate "it could happen to any of us" incidents).

There's a description from the air show organiser at the time of what he thought had happened at:

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/sho....php?p=1088739

We all make mistakes. The lucky ones get away with them, and learn from them. Certainly we view other people's mistakes with some degree of understanding.

I do wonder whether some folk aren't using this accident to hit out at the bloke for whatever he's done to upset people by whingeing on about some obscure facet of PPRuNe funding or administration.

I would caution anybody about seeing some kind of conspiracy in this ("Think manipulation and who has the ability" YGBSM!). Danny has shown himself to be big enough to apologise and move on, and I fully expect that he, or one of the mods will be having a quiet word with Agent Smelly, and that they'll have the good sense to find out who he is, or at least whether he really is posting from Port Moresby, and that they'll reassure the doubters that he has nothing to do with the Mods and owners.

For my part, I need no such reassurance. Like Samurai, Agent Smelly's clearly just a
trouble-making Troll, and/or a total Arrse.

Pro's and amateurs alike, aren't most of us fellow aviators? Aren't we all comrades in aviation? Do we really need to run each other down and squabble ....

(Hmmm, having read my comments about Samuraitwat, perhaps it's inevitable.)

Hat, coat.... I know the drill!

Al R

I don't know what happened, and frankly, thats not the issue for me here. Even if the captain f#cked up beyond all belief, nothing justifies the cowardly and despicable attacks that are coming out of the woodwork. Almost killed? Do me a favour - the crew rolled the beer keg away (booze on military aircraft in detachment scandal!).

I hope that the board not only takes measures to correct matters and to sanction this poster, but more importantly, is being seen to being taking prompt and decisive measures to correct matters.

SRENNAPS

How about we drop the Victor story before this thread is deleted; there were quite a few other items on my list that could create good discussion/banter..............please..

Pontius Navigator

Srennaps, as I said it is about the 3rd hijack.

Maybe it will be a beer after all

Pontius Navigator

Jacko, thanks for that link. The story there mentions IFF being incorrectly tuned. It should, of course, have said ILS which in those days was not tunable and needed to be preset before flight. That was why the approach was made without approach aids.

PPRuNe Pop

Sorry, but the tangent that this thread has taken is not going to continue. Some seem hell bent on trying to divert it to matters already discussed. It is not worth the aggro it causes to raise them again.

Flying Lawyer

Al R

It seems that my explanation was a waste of time.

"I always assumed ‘justification’ to mean; ‘to show an action to be reasonable or necessary’."
In ordinary language, that’s correct.
In libel law, which is what you asked about, it has the meaning I explained.

No. If a statement is true (or substantially true), whether or not the maker acted reasonably is irrelevant.

No. If a statement is true (or substantially true), the motive of the maker is irrelevant.

“to cause injury and defame.”
Truth may cause injury to reputation. That does not make it defamatory.
See the very first line of my summary.

“and ‘almost killed’. How can that be quantified or qualified? 90% ‘almost killed’ or 10% not killed? Or did the ac safety systems perform well within their envelopes and limits? And did the crew debus from the wreck quite comfortably? If someone fired an RPG that missed me by 4 feet, is that ‘almost killed’? Of course it isn't. It would either kill me if it hit me, or not if it didn’t. It didn’t, so the issue is immaterial. You can't be half killed.. you're either killed or you're not.”
You’re being silly now.

“And finally, addressing Smelly’s last points and his promotion of hate amongst ‘PPruNers’, I wonder what his/her motivation really is? We’ll probably never find out.. such is the MO of this type of person.”
I'm not sure if you are referring to Agent Smelly or to the person to whom he referred in his post.
Either way, it doesn't matter. I've tried to explain libel law to you. Accept it or reject it as you wish.