Flying Lawyer

Al R Fair enough.

With all due respect, your post is a mixture of misinformed and uninformed tosh.


Cheers.

Silly Billy

So, come on, what's gotten up AI R's caboose?

Seldomfitforpurpose

AlR,

"so perhaps you need to start a non aircrew military and civilian section?"...........take a look at this section which may well be more appropriate for you

http://www.pprune.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=61

Al R

Flying Lawyer saidFair enough !

Most of the legal briefings I used to have to attend wrt libel were a couple of years ago now, and given the nature of the thread, I had better not comment on the ability of the person or of the firm delivering them. But if you'd like to update/correct me, then your post might be even more useful, and I'd appreciate it. Are you suggesting that posts like that ARE permissable and exempt from libel?

Cheers.

diginagain

Nice piccy, Silly Billy. I wonder if you could tell me the make of the camera you used, as I'm thinking of taking up a new hobby of standing around on street corners in the Boston area waiting for anything interesting to happen.

Oh, and could you tell me which one is BEagle, please?

minigundiplomat

It is indeed. However, as an aircrew mate, I think banishing non aircrew members from the site would allow us to take ourselves too seriously and the Kiwi's video and song would be more and more relevant.

Happy Easter Leon. Stay Safe Mate!

MGD

Al R

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I think a non-aircrew military board would be good (imagine, you might see threads like 'pictures of a/c towing tractors from the old boston road', or 'payd sucks'), however you'd probably find the lords of the air would creep in every now and again to find out how the airfarce realy works...

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Non-aircrew forum is e-goat, is it not?

This forum was probably one of the very first I guess and I take my hat off to the guy (‘Danny’?) who had the energy and drive to get it going and to keep it going. I don't mean any dissrespect to him.

A bloke I know, once had a TVR and he started a messageboard for his other TVR mates in the mid/late 1990s. But it attracted people who had Jags, and MGs and Toyotas too, who wanted to talk about cars.. so he catered for them as well. And one day, they decided that they had more than just cars in common and they started talking about politics, relationships, flying, sailing, hobbies and holidays (sounds a bit gay, thinking about it ) just as anyone might want to do in any bar or crewroom.

So he catered for them too. Last year, the website (pistonheads) was fought for by the 2 biggest magazine publishers in the UK at the time, and one of them eventually paid (imho) a whopper for it. But there remains the common thread there: cars. And whatever you drive, whatever your budget, whatever your ability.. respect isn’t asked for, but it is always given when cars are discussed, or when people express an interest.

I wasn’t advocating change, just commenting on it. But change happens (who would have thought that a small Finnish company called Nokia would ever diversify from making paper or that a supermarket would ever sell petrol?) and I’m not suggesting that what happens there, happens here - you can’t compare apples with pears. I would not presume to argue the point either way here, but I have made many good friends in PPrune (some I have been lucky enough to meet, some to talk to, and some to PM with) and I would see no benefit to going over to somewhere like E-goat (no disrespect to it) to gauge the opinions of people who I don’t know.

Whirlygig

Al R, there are many different forums on Pprune so I reckon that Danny has pretty much catered for everyone (just like Pistonheads did).

Cheers

Whirls

Silly Billy

I had to have a seance but managed to contact my Grandpa's half brother, Wilfred.



He told me to tell you that the camera used was the Blair Camera Co., Boston, Hawk-Eye Detective Camera (first version), 1890-1893



He did ask me so try and find out what bug it is that AI R has got about Special Agent Smelly. He said that there was a hint of scandal that would be worth while pursuing. Mind you, my great uncle Wilfred did have a thing about scandals. He was fascinated with these new fangled Crocs.

Stitchbitch

Military Aircrew A forum for the professionals who fly the non-civilian hardware, and the backroom boys and girls without whom nothing would leave the ground. Army, Navy and Airforces of the World, all equally welcome here.

Nuff said.

Flying Lawyer

Al R

Since you asked, a very brief summary. (Of a general nature.)

Libel is the publication of false statement(s) damaging to reputation.
No, I am not suggesting that internet forums are exempt from the laws of libel - although the law relating to publication on the internet varies in jurisdictions around the world.

You described Agent Smelly’s post (32) as “posted with a reckless disregard for the truth.”
Do you have a comprehensive knowledge of RAF Victor ops at home and abroad? If not, what is your basis for your allegation?

“Your defences in publishing against this non public figure are minimal to the point of non existant.”
One of the three principal defences to a libel action is ‘justification.’
ie That the statements made were substantially true.

“It is a missinformed and unjustified attack on the reputation of another party.”
Was it misinformed and unjustified? ie Not true.

“It would unquestionably injure him in respect to his position within his company, his standing, his profession ……”
It would be libel only if untrue.

”I am also happy to put my name to a statement which affirms its impact on me and which might assist him.”
It’s impact upon you?
Do you really think it would assist anyone claiming damages for libel to call a witness to say he read the comments and dismissed them as malicious, wretched, misinformed and untrue?


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EOSM37

But what it doesn't say is

EX - Military Aircrew A forum for the EX-professionals who now don't fly the non-civilian hardware, and the ex-backroom boys and girls without whom nothing would have left the ground. EX- Army, Navy and Airforces of the World, all equally welcome here.

You see the difference?

So maybe the owners of PPRuNe could introduce an Ex-Military forum. Just a thought.

Whirlygig

Here's another thought - why don't the owners of Pprune introduce a forum for military non-aircrew, ex-military aircrew, ex-military non-aircrew, wannabe military, a forum for spouses of military personnel, friends and family of military, an RAF forum, a Navy forum and an Army forum. What about separating them out into various nations. While we're about it, I'm sure there are marginalised members so we could have a female military (and ex- and non-aircrew) forum, one for ethnic minorities etc.

That way, we could all stay in our own little worlds and never mix with people whom we would not otherwise have contact. Obviously only those people in each sub-forum have valid opinions and knowledge so therefore we would all know instantly that that person is to be respected and believed because they are a member or our own forum.

The little strapline above written by the forum title is a guideline to the sorts of threads and issues being discussed. It is not set in stone, it is not a requirement. The operative word surely, is "welcome".

Cheers

Whirls

1.4G

Which one of those do you fit into Whirls? Do you feel marginalised because you are obviously Ex Military? The Airlines have their own closed threads, who about the Military?

Whirlygig

I'm not ex-Military so I've no idea why you say that's obvious. I just think it's a richer world when people from different backgrounds and lives can mix.

I'm not sure that I understand why any one group of people should want a forum that is specifically for their own group to the exclusion of all others. if you don't like what someone has posted, then you can either explain why you disagree or you can put that person on your ignore list.

As I pointed out to someone in response to a PM, there was/is a faction of airline pilots who want a forum purely restricted to professional airline pilots only as they don't want to read the drivel posted by anyone who is not a professional airline pilots. Obviously only professional airline pilots speak sense and everyone else speaks bolleaux! In response to this Danny set up a spoof forum in Rumours & News. A lot of these pilots thought it was genuine and failed to see the joke!

Cheers

Whirls

1.4G

Whirls, if you look at the type of thread started in the Military forum, Save the Vulcan, Look at my photos, I hate the Government, sign this petition and that petition, look at this funny you tube clip, have you all read my latest book, I have a wheezy chest and the RAF won't let me join, how do I become a Navigator, I am leaving today, lets all have a go at some civvy voicing his opinion, my squadron is disbanding, lets talk about the latest Royal Navy ship, I still hate Gordon Brown, why do the BBC get the pictures wrong in news reports etc etc the list just goes on.
My point is very few are actually started by currently serving Aircrew (or ground crew, mustn't forget them) so maybe a change of the title at the top is in order.

L J R

Those who reminisce about how good the TSR-2 is / was / could have been...

BEagle

Here's a suggestion:

LEAVE THINGS AS THEY ARE!

An 'aircrew only' forum would be rather stale and perhaps elitist. Apart from the idiot few who post on PPRuNE (generally well known), I'm sure that everyone values inputs from non-aircrew trades pretty highly.

We are all human (not sure about ORAC - by definition a computer...) and I confess to the odd spat with that mud Marine over on the West Coast, but I respect his contribution to hos country and to the forum.

This site is a bit of a virtual crewroom - but one in which everyone (even the odd 'When I was' old fart) is welcome.

FL, mon vieux, were your wearing your black cap last week? By the way, did you get my e-mail re. the LD?

BTW, Al R, I might need to seek counselling. Because I always found that the GDT/ODT/CCS (TLA) sessions at the Covert Oxonian Aerodrome were always run in an extremely professional manner. The staff were always interesting chaps to talk to - and were clearly underemployed sending aircrew to the gas chamber, sorry, 'respirator test facility' every week!

What a wicked sense of humour they had too! The combopen with half a knitting needle sticking out of the end was a well-known ploy - but on one occasion, they did a wonderful spoof. During the lecture on 'masking up' one Cpl came in 'from stores' with a khaki-painted aerosol can suitably wrapped in a poly bag with an authentic-looking stores label which he handed to the instructor. Quite nonchantly, the instructor opened the bag and took the top off the aerosol. Then he pressed the tit and shouted "GAS, GAS, GAS!" and sprayed the room. Pandemonium ensued, some people had left their respirators outside and fell over eachother in the race to fetch them......

It was, of course, Pledge!

Pontius Navigator

Flying Lawyer,

Your post makes complete sense.

I would suggest however that Agent Smelly's post was not only unhelpful but also not necessarily completely true too.

The only incontrovertible fact is the Victor crashed. Everything else is speculation and opinion.

A*S* is sufficiently remote that he hopes the smelly stuff can't reach him but who knows?

PPRuNe Towers

1.4G sums it up perfectly. I explained our signal to noise ratio here ten days ago during the recent shreik fest by the formerly serving because their missives were being hived off to jetblast or the nostalgia forum.

Same goes on Rumours and News where posts inducing slumber amongst those with current airside passes are sent to other forums.

Rob