Help - Lets show this NIMBY what real aircraft noise is
Hovering AND talking
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Yeah you're right DX, he doesn't deserve my rendition of Foggy Mountain Breakdown! Even played as badly as I play it!
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Whirls
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Whirls
There's a field at the back of my home next to Shugborough. Shawbury are very welcome to use that [not that I own it!]
Delighted to see the Griffin which flew very low past my garden a couple of weeks ago - I did wave - I THINK I had a wave in return although the pilot did seem to have some deformity in his fingers.
Delighted to see the Griffin which flew very low past my garden a couple of weeks ago - I did wave - I THINK I had a wave in return although the pilot did seem to have some deformity in his fingers.
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Here is another one to have a look at!!!
Located next to Branscombe Airfield, East Devon. Lat and Long please
I was considering putting this up for debate and then discovered this delightful thread!!!
Aircraft noise: Life beneath the blight path (From The Sunday Telegraph, March 2, 2008)
Plans to cut aircraft noise are good news for some. For others, it will only get worse, says Graham Norwood
·Have your say: Has your home been affected by aircraft noise?
Life may be about to become much more peaceful in parts of Bedfordshire, Hertfordshire and Essex from next year - and some lucky owners could find their homes worth 10 per cent more as a result. The windfalls would emerge from plans by National Air Traffic Services to redraw flight paths into three airports in south-east England.
NATS' proposals, out for consultation until May and likely to come into effect next year, alter routes for aircraft stacking before landing at Luton, Stansted and London City airports. The plans also try to cut noise where aircraft from several south-east airports, including Heathrow, converge and turn at the start of long-haul flights.
Ian Hall, NATS' director of operations, says the proposals will reduce the number of people affected by noise from departing aircraft under 4,000ft by 20 per cent.
Winners include Brookmans Park, Hatfield, Hitchin and Royston in Hertfordshire, Princes Risborough in Buckinghamshire, Southend in Essex and Sudbury in Cambridgeshire. The losers are chiefly more rural areas including villages near Bishop's Stortford in Hertfordshire, along the Blackwater Estuary, north of St Albans and in south Bedfordshire.
"The impact of aircraft noise on values is often exaggerated, but in sensitive locations, house prices are affected by 10 per cent," admits Tim Trembath of Mullucks Wells, an estate agency selling homes from the northern edge of Greater London to the east coast.
Trembath says he can routinely see 17 aircraft at a time at different heights and distances from his home in the Essex village of Great Dunmow, but says the impact of noise lessens as people live longer in an area. "We have some buyers who don't live locally wanting a home with no noise at all from aircraft and we've a few spots in that category. But others who live in the region are much more used to aircraft and they buy homes in what other people might regard as noisy locations, with no complaint at all."
The difficulty for the next year, he says, is that people wanting to buy a home in the eastern half of southeast England are likely to defer a purchase until a conclusion has been reached.
What is beyond doubt is that most airports have seen an increase in complaints from neighbouring home owners. The most recent data shows noise complaints at East Midlands airport soared from 4,500 in 2005 to 7,978 in 2006; at Luton they tripled in that period. This is no doubt due to the boom in budget airline travel, with more new routes to regional airports opening every year. But concerns over aircraft noise are not restricted to large airports. Across the UK, there are about 1,750 rural airstrips - sometimes little more than fields - and these are getting busier. Action 4 Airports, a website campaigning for small airstrips, says there are 30,000 people in the UK with private pilots' licences, and this figure is rising. A4A says this almost inevitably creates disputes such as the one raging in the east Devon village of Branscombe, where a landing strip has existed for more than 20 years.
Its new owner, David Hayman - a financial adviser who flies to and from his London office - is permitted to use it 28 days a year but has applied for consent for over 500 takeoffs or landings a year.
"That's an average of about one and a half movements a day, with the peak noise lasting eight seconds and affecting literally just one or two homes," says David. "The opposition comes from just one or two people who built their homes or moved in long after the airfield arrived, and now claim they speak for the entire village," he insists.
David claims seven village jobs, four at an aircraft restoration firm and three at a company making aircraft covers, rely on the airfield. On top of that, the previous owner raised £110,000 for charity by holding an annual summer air day and David wants to continue that tradition.
But next door neighbour Lynn Hall says most of the activity at the field occurs at weekends when people want to relax, and she fears the village has become less attractive for potential buyers.
"The number of flights has increased in the past three or four years. We also have a lot of planes practising manoeuvres. One took off and landed every few minutes for an hour, and people are beginning to be very worried about their safety," she says. "There have been two accidents in the past nine months, one with an aircraft stalling on take off and ending up in a tree on the edge of the airstrip. If you'd wanted to buy in the village, would you still do so after knowing that?" asks Lynn.
The issue of aircraft noise raises the blood pressure as well as the decibels, and the problem appears to be getting worse across the UK. Professional buying agents, who short-list suitable homes for affluent clients, say they now routinely have to check for private aircraft flights from nearby properties when looking for a country house or rural estate.
Passenger numbers from large UK airports are predicted to expand from 180 million now to 475 million by 2030. Regional airports, increasingly dominated by commercial airlines, have cut space for private planes while increasing landing and storage costs for small aircraft. The result is that private pilots increasingly use these small rural airfields. Soon, it seems, many more of us will be living under a flight path.
·For more information: www.nats.co.uk/TCNconsultation, has a video illustrating new flight paths and a postcode search to check proposed flight paths and heights over houses.
The website www.uk-airport-news.info carries news on anti-noise campaigns.
The affordability index
Average house price in each region (in descending order)
1. North England: £207,663
2. Yorkshire & Humberside: £213,877
3. East Midlands: £219,384
4. Wales: £229,136
5. West Midlands: £230,375
6. East Anglia: £260,702
7. Scotland: £263,655
8. South West: £267,475
9. South East: £316,725
10. Greater London: £411,981
Personally, speaking bring them on!!! I like nothing more than belting around at 50"
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I like nothing more than belting around at 50"
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Thank you to the assorted Tornados, Hercules and Pumas which have enlivened the past few days and nights at Shobdon - you have been much appreciated. That includes the Hercules with the noisy engines which woke me at 01:00-ish on Thursday morning.
That includes the Hercules with the noisy engines which woke me at 01:00-ish on Thursday morning.
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50' = A little over four feet, sounds about right to me!
Wheels up of course, i dont want to have clean of the mud or sand later
Or wheels down if you want to try this!!!
And my bike has a flat tyre anyway!
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A few years ago we had a twit on a lake North of us complain that the noise of the CL215 fighting a fire about three NM from his cotage woke him up in the morning, gues which lake was used next Spring for "scoop an bomb" training? you got it, six 215s and two new 415s scooping and bombing for a whole week ,the rest of the lake residents just loved the show , not so the nimby.
