Help - Lets show this NIMBY what real aircraft noise is
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Now then, whilst the mods were busy deleting my post I still disagree with the photo of a Puma with a flag beneath it telling a named member of the public to fcuk off. Now whilst they and Harrogate must think this is the best way to show the RAF and the Puma force in the best light, it isn't.
Harrogate is not a representative of RAF Benson and as such has no right to post such a photgraph. Whilst not on the same scale just think of all those photgraphs that came out of Iraq showing the Armed Forces in a bad light.
I expect better from you Harrogate. I am very dissapointed.
Harrogate is not a representative of RAF Benson and as such has no right to post such a photgraph. Whilst not on the same scale just think of all those photgraphs that came out of Iraq showing the Armed Forces in a bad light.
I expect better from you Harrogate. I am very dissapointed.
I'm not acting in the interests of anyone but me. I'm a member of the public. Why shouldn't I be allowed to talk about another member of the public?
And don't patronise, sweetheart. I'm not trying to impress you, no matter how hell-bent you try and install some kind of authority over me. Your body language is all wrong, love. You're failing miserably.
If you don't like the thread... do I really need to tell you what to do?
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Whilst it would be a very laudible idea to acquaint said NIMBY with the RAF's capability to generate noise at low level, in this case it would be a futile excercise as I am sure he is astute enough to reciprocate with the "aggrieved helpless victim" tactic......so beloved of the species as a whole. Neither would a "hearts and minds" or appeasement approach have any effect....the ego would never allow this to happen anyway.......however.....one thing the RAF has always had in abundance is the number of devious minds it contains ( albeit usually for a combination of self indulgence and screwing the system without actually taking it on 
) so I would suggest those so inclined have a look at the "small print" as it were......and apply their minds accordingly.....there's always more than one way to skin a cat after all.
Just a thought from, perish the idea ( for some ) a "more than happy to see and hear anything at low level Guardian reader".....
) so I would suggest those so inclined have a look at the "small print" as it were......and apply their minds accordingly.....there's always more than one way to skin a cat after all. Just a thought from, perish the idea ( for some ) a "more than happy to see and hear anything at low level Guardian reader".....
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I was thinking of this thread [ And grinning from ear to ear. 
] yesterday as a pair of CH 53s overflew my humble abode battering the air as they headed due East.
That was both a musical and visceral experience as they lumbered past. Kind of disappointed that they didn't fly back this way.
] yesterday as a pair of CH 53s overflew my humble abode battering the air as they headed due East.That was both a musical and visceral experience as they lumbered past. Kind of disappointed that they didn't fly back this way.
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What a brave little man you were, Ken, swearing at a woman anonymously over the phone from the safety of the bar. Teach her to speak with an Eastenders accent.
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In reference to a good Lat/Long I think the following may be a little bit closer to where you may like to visit 52° 38'24.15"N 003° 01'18.11"W (Vine Cottage, Worthern, Shropshire) 
In all fairness to Mr Dignan though, his house is some 18.5 miles as the crow (or Squirrel) flies from RAF Shawbury, and on the other side of Shrewsbury, so it is not as if he moved in next to the perimeter fence or even inside the MATZ.
However, I do think it very hypocritical of him to complain about aircraft noise whilst, apparently, not only being into (noisy) shooting but appears to have had some connection (owner/employee?) to a gun shop in Shrewsbury (Ebrall Brothers)!
Also, if he is a member of the Shropshire Section of the Vintage Motorcycle Club (again as it appears to be the case) then not only is he adding yet more noise to the 'peaceful' Shropshire countryside but he may also be interested in the club night on 24th September when an M. Pearson will be talking about his/her experience in the RAF
I do hope they mention the necessity for low flying training during the talk 
MadMark!!!
In all fairness to Mr Dignan though, his house is some 18.5 miles as the crow (or Squirrel) flies from RAF Shawbury, and on the other side of Shrewsbury, so it is not as if he moved in next to the perimeter fence or even inside the MATZ.
However, I do think it very hypocritical of him to complain about aircraft noise whilst, apparently, not only being into (noisy) shooting but appears to have had some connection (owner/employee?) to a gun shop in Shrewsbury (Ebrall Brothers)!
Also, if he is a member of the Shropshire Section of the Vintage Motorcycle Club (again as it appears to be the case) then not only is he adding yet more noise to the 'peaceful' Shropshire countryside but he may also be interested in the club night on 24th September when an M. Pearson will be talking about his/her experience in the RAF
I do hope they mention the necessity for low flying training during the talk MadMark!!!
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Also, if he is a member of the Shropshire Section of the Vintage Motorcycle Club (again as it appears to be the case) then not only is he adding yet more noise to the 'peaceful' Shropshire countryside but he may also be interested in the club night on 24th September when an M. Pearson will be talking about his/her experience in the RAF I do hope they mention the necessity for low flying training during the talk
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it is not as if he moved in next to the perimeter fence or even inside the MATZ.
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Ref: posts 39,62 & 65
I think you will find that all 3 Community Councillor "worthies" mentioned are ex RAF of different trades and ranks, groundcrew and aircrew, plus along with the Findhorn and Kinloss Community Council member mentioned. I don't think they have a problem with the Nimrods flying around, nor most of the inhabitants of Forres.
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If you read the latest ramblings in the Shrewsbury Chronicle, you will find a letter from Mr Dignan who now says that" If the site( RAF Shawbury) closes as it should, and is turned into a hi-tech business park it would provide many more jobs and generate more revenue" !!!!
The letter gives an address at Vine Cottage Worthen. A quick look on the Royal Mail site gives a post code SY5 9JH, and Multimap shows that this is a fairly isolated house, and easily identified......if anyone should wish to go and take a look from above!
The letter gives an address at Vine Cottage Worthen. A quick look on the Royal Mail site gives a post code SY5 9JH, and Multimap shows that this is a fairly isolated house, and easily identified......if anyone should wish to go and take a look from above!
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Great, we have a lat/long. Now then I think that we all also need to know the height of his cottage above mean sea level, in order that he may enjoy the finest in aviation whilst the pilots remain clear of rule 5 if you know what I mean.
Seriously, just who the hell does the pillock think he is? The RAF have fought for this country for 90 years, and will continue to do so. I appreciate that not everyone is turned on by aviation as we all are, be fair this is a pilots forum, but even a right minded member of society will appreciate that military staff have to be trained. Might be interesting to find out what this turd does/did for a living
Nimbys come and go, and in a few weeks he will have acheived his hidden agenda and will go away, as they all seem to do. The problem is that unless we fight back, there will be even less airspace available to us all, military and civil. Juat look at any given airfield and look at the noise abatement circuits and procedures. It is getting harder and harder to commit aviation due to people like Mr Dignan and we are finally losing the freedom of the skies fought for so hard in WW2 and defended so hard for since by mil guys and girls.
So, with this in mind, who fancies posting on chanel 5 news, and writing to the SALOP post, or whatever rag is ginving him houserrom, all about how these dreadful old motorcycles poe a threat to aviation in the area, as the noise means we cannot hear our engines and causes us to lose concentration in our flying. They should be stopped!!!!
Seriously, just who the hell does the pillock think he is? The RAF have fought for this country for 90 years, and will continue to do so. I appreciate that not everyone is turned on by aviation as we all are, be fair this is a pilots forum, but even a right minded member of society will appreciate that military staff have to be trained. Might be interesting to find out what this turd does/did for a living
Nimbys come and go, and in a few weeks he will have acheived his hidden agenda and will go away, as they all seem to do. The problem is that unless we fight back, there will be even less airspace available to us all, military and civil. Juat look at any given airfield and look at the noise abatement circuits and procedures. It is getting harder and harder to commit aviation due to people like Mr Dignan and we are finally losing the freedom of the skies fought for so hard in WW2 and defended so hard for since by mil guys and girls.
So, with this in mind, who fancies posting on chanel 5 news, and writing to the SALOP post, or whatever rag is ginving him houserrom, all about how these dreadful old motorcycles poe a threat to aviation in the area, as the noise means we cannot hear our engines and causes us to lose concentration in our flying. They should be stopped!!!!
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Great, we have a lat/long. Now then I think that we all also need to know the height of his cottage above mean sea level, in order that he may enjoy the finest in aviation whilst the pilots remain clear of rule 5 if you know what I mean.
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in order that he may enjoy the finest in aviation whilst the pilots remain clear of rule 5 if you know what I mean.
Apparently there are two Brocktons in Shropshire. The one I had in mind was the one near Cosford.
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At the risk of sticking my neck out - maybe our "We are right, these nimbys are t055ers" attitude may need a little calming down. Although I fully agree that HM forces have an absolute right to train as required and low flying is an essential skill that needs constant practice; upsetting a complainant purely to show him "What real aircraft noise is" is not going to do anyone any favours. I agree that his views are particularly short sighted, nimbyistic (I may have invented a word there!!) and ill thought through - however public slagging of this guy by supposed professional military aircrew is not making the best case for us either. Antagonising this bloke will only give his nimby campaign more reason to shout louder and soon enough another red blob will appear on the LFA9 map. While he may not have any genuine concerns for his complaint - enough visits to his area, backed up with the kind of 'proof' that he is being targetted (eg this thread) and it will be another nail in the coffin - particularly when we have a government who will do anything to look like its appeasing the busybodies.
I am not saying that what has gone before this thread is wrong - merely that the consequences may hit us all in the face!!!
I am not saying that what has gone before this thread is wrong - merely that the consequences may hit us all in the face!!!
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There is much in Cim Jartner's post to think about. It is also of note that this NIMBY is not completely new to politics and he obviously thinks he gains some sympathetic ears when he is so outspoken in his criticism of the MOD.
This latter point is something we all need to be aware of. Unfortunately, the population at large identify responsibility for the Iraq conflict as the fault of the military and that is why this chap thinks he will get the ear of the electorate when he criticises the MOD.
We all know he is way off track with his comments but we need to make sure that we do not add to his doubtful credentials by careless and ill thought-out responses.
This latter point is something we all need to be aware of. Unfortunately, the population at large identify responsibility for the Iraq conflict as the fault of the military and that is why this chap thinks he will get the ear of the electorate when he criticises the MOD.
We all know he is way off track with his comments but we need to make sure that we do not add to his doubtful credentials by careless and ill thought-out responses.
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I'm not professional military aircrew, so can I slag him off? The man is an @rsehole. I'm due to do some PFL's next week, wonder where the best place to do them would be? Not below 500' of course.
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soddim & CJ, I don't think anyone is actually being serious with their plans to overfly the place, planning to do so is just a good way of letting off steam safely without actually doing anything to harm or annoy the silly man.