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I can't believe it, a couple of threads in a week that I an provide useful semi-intelligent prose to...
Firstly Carlo Copp is an idiot, whilst he maybe a great theorist, he has absolutely NO practical knowledge on what is required to maintain and operate aircraft, he has no idea on what the actual capabilities of the nations closest to us in the region are (he MASSIVELY overstates this continuously) and lastly he must think that Australia has the budget of the US to spend on defence.
On this particular subject I would just like to say that Saddam in January 2003 was recognised as having the BEST HAS (Hardened Aircraft Shelters) in the world. Yep impenetrable. That worked well didn't it Carlo?
There is an actual defence against these types of attacks however this would cost hundreds of billions of dollars just to fit out our five northern bases. Plus the fact that geographically most of the land in Northern Australia is not suitable to this defence (that might give you a clue...)
The second point on this I would make is that in order for there to be a threat, you have to have capability and INTENT!!! There are only two nations on Earth who could possibly hope to invade Australia and take over the country. That is the US and China. NO ONE in our region regardless of the pitiful few billion each country spends on Defence has even the remotest capability to put anymore than a couple of bombs on Darwin. yeah we might get a bloody nose but any country other than the US or China would find out very quickly not to piss off the West. How many countries would come to our defence. A lot of people say, yeah but what if they are engaged elsewhere? Very true, but I can assure you that most nation in our region along with nearly every western country in the world would come to our aid, probably even the French. People do talk of India and or Pakistan being a threat, and they do have the bomb, but I hate to tell you Carlo, there is **** all we can do militarily to defeat a nuclear device. No there is no THREAT to Australia’s security from conventional nations in our region.
As to a war, well hello everyone
, what do you think is currently happening. Our cities might not be under air attack and we might not be fighting the enemy on the streets of this country, but make no mistake, we are indeed in the middle of a war right now. If you think I am exaggerating mark my words that as previously stated Islamic Extremists want nothing other than the annihilation of our Western society and way of life. Yep we are relatively safe in Aus at the moment and this is because the enemy is too busy fighting the "good fight" in other parts, but this "war" isn’t going to be finished by the time everyone reading this today is long dead, it will go on for generations.
Carlo, defence against suicide bomber does not require Hardened aircraft shelters. I don't know if you have toured our northern bases, but other than Tindal and Darwin there is stuff all there. And my question to you is, why the hell would a suicide bomber who has high value, high impact assets as his primary would waste his miserable life on one Hornet (yes Carlo if we are at war we only put one aircraft per shelter...) when he could achieve a much bigger impact by walking into a daycare centre and detonating his bomb? Mate you really have no idea how the real world works, what the current and future threat is going to be. I reckon you should get out form behind you desk, head on over to Iraq, Afghanistan, Horn of Africa, anywhere like that, meet the people find out what they are pissed at and see if that changes your perception. Until then leave the real defence of this country to those who live in the real world sunshine. The cold war is over and it is a brave new world with new threats that will be here for generations.
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Mr B
Firstly Carlo Copp is an idiot, whilst he maybe a great theorist, he has absolutely NO practical knowledge on what is required to maintain and operate aircraft, he has no idea on what the actual capabilities of the nations closest to us in the region are (he MASSIVELY overstates this continuously) and lastly he must think that Australia has the budget of the US to spend on defence.
On this particular subject I would just like to say that Saddam in January 2003 was recognised as having the BEST HAS (Hardened Aircraft Shelters) in the world. Yep impenetrable. That worked well didn't it Carlo?
There is an actual defence against these types of attacks however this would cost hundreds of billions of dollars just to fit out our five northern bases. Plus the fact that geographically most of the land in Northern Australia is not suitable to this defence (that might give you a clue...)
The second point on this I would make is that in order for there to be a threat, you have to have capability and INTENT!!! There are only two nations on Earth who could possibly hope to invade Australia and take over the country. That is the US and China. NO ONE in our region regardless of the pitiful few billion each country spends on Defence has even the remotest capability to put anymore than a couple of bombs on Darwin. yeah we might get a bloody nose but any country other than the US or China would find out very quickly not to piss off the West. How many countries would come to our defence. A lot of people say, yeah but what if they are engaged elsewhere? Very true, but I can assure you that most nation in our region along with nearly every western country in the world would come to our aid, probably even the French. People do talk of India and or Pakistan being a threat, and they do have the bomb, but I hate to tell you Carlo, there is **** all we can do militarily to defeat a nuclear device. No there is no THREAT to Australia’s security from conventional nations in our region.
As to a war, well hello everyone
, what do you think is currently happening. Our cities might not be under air attack and we might not be fighting the enemy on the streets of this country, but make no mistake, we are indeed in the middle of a war right now. If you think I am exaggerating mark my words that as previously stated Islamic Extremists want nothing other than the annihilation of our Western society and way of life. Yep we are relatively safe in Aus at the moment and this is because the enemy is too busy fighting the "good fight" in other parts, but this "war" isn’t going to be finished by the time everyone reading this today is long dead, it will go on for generations.Carlo, defence against suicide bomber does not require Hardened aircraft shelters. I don't know if you have toured our northern bases, but other than Tindal and Darwin there is stuff all there. And my question to you is, why the hell would a suicide bomber who has high value, high impact assets as his primary would waste his miserable life on one Hornet (yes Carlo if we are at war we only put one aircraft per shelter...) when he could achieve a much bigger impact by walking into a daycare centre and detonating his bomb? Mate you really have no idea how the real world works, what the current and future threat is going to be. I reckon you should get out form behind you desk, head on over to Iraq, Afghanistan, Horn of Africa, anywhere like that, meet the people find out what they are pissed at and see if that changes your perception. Until then leave the real defence of this country to those who live in the real world sunshine. The cold war is over and it is a brave new world with new threats that will be here for generations.
Cheers
Mr B
For eg sub launched supersonic cruise missiles could be fired from very close inshore and at M1.5 plus speed , small size/stealth and low altitude profile by the time they are , if they are detected and a correct ID made of the nature of the returns it would be too late to scramble anything.
In the real world, there are many, many factors that need to be considered for a particular scenario. Carlo hasn't visited the real world for a lot of years.
He has based all of his opinions on publically available material. This material will usually overstate the manufacturer's capabilities (eg: Sukhoi), while the operator (eg: RAAF) will usually understate his.
Add a Carlo bar chart with a Piggie at the top and you have a VERY skewed piece of writing that should be treated with suspicion.
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aircraft can be scrambled to intercept or move to another base out of range.
The state of our defences despite all the ADF commanders and politicians bluster and spin is in a terrible state and in no shape to do more than barely defend us against a small regional threat let alone a large serious one.
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the manufacturing base in Australia is unfortunately slowly declining.
But seriously folks..... Given the size of Oz then surely the best defence is lots of little diversionary strips with minimal facilities that could be upgraded within hours by a move out from main bases. Takes a heck of a lot of effort to find, target, acquire and destroy 2 or 3 assets hidden away.
The Normans reckoned that building bigger, stronger, impregnable castles was the right idea. Hmm.
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the manufacturing base in Australia is unfortunately slowly declining.
What about the ARH Tigers, MRH90s and Wedgetails built/being built in Brisbane
It wouldn't surprise me if several more near future acquisitions also involve production in Brisbane (Air 9000 Ph7).
