Loss of RAF Data
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Maybe now that the MOD has potentially compromised many thousands of people, they will pay for them to move to a new address.
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May I suggest that everyone who is currently serving and joined in the past 15-20 years might want to check whether their details were on that laptop.
Although the MOD said it would only affect those joining 2003 onwards, I joined in 1997 and for some inexplicable reason, someone decided it would be prudent to keep my OASC and IOT details (scores, entry dates etc) on this laptop for over 10 years.
The big question from my point of view is what have these details got to do with the 'personal' details such as names, addresses etc? Just what the hell was on this laptop that we aren't being told about - it seems there is all manner of data on it not simply what they said was there.
And I am not the only officer in my unit to have joined in the mid-late 90s who has found their details were on here. You have been warned!
Although the MOD said it would only affect those joining 2003 onwards, I joined in 1997 and for some inexplicable reason, someone decided it would be prudent to keep my OASC and IOT details (scores, entry dates etc) on this laptop for over 10 years.
The big question from my point of view is what have these details got to do with the 'personal' details such as names, addresses etc? Just what the hell was on this laptop that we aren't being told about - it seems there is all manner of data on it not simply what they said was there.
And I am not the only officer in my unit to have joined in the mid-late 90s who has found their details were on here. You have been warned!
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It could be me!
I've just had a reply from those Recruit Data check people in Glasgow....I wonder.....same JPA peeps perhaps? What could possibly go wrong?
It appears that even after 21 years during which I only attended the College of Knowledge in '05, that my details are likely to be contained too.
Anyway, even though I had given them plenty in an email, they have still asked for much more info as previously stated:
I have replied to the nice email with a not so nice one declining their offer to lose more info about me. What do they expect; they want more than I could give under the Geneva convention if taken prisoner!
I am absolutely appalled
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It appears that even after 21 years during which I only attended the College of Knowledge in '05, that my details are likely to be contained too.
Anyway, even though I had given them plenty in an email, they have still asked for much more info as previously stated:
- passport
- driving license
- utility bill confirming address
- letter from bank
- letter from boss
I have replied to the nice email with a not so nice one declining their offer to lose more info about me. What do they expect; they want more than I could give under the Geneva convention if taken prisoner!
I am absolutely appalled
SA
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I believe my details are on the laptop....I joined 10 years ago and left 3 years ago. I need to send off proof of ID to get further details (they'll be instructed to return these!).
What is the extent of the data held? My view is that we are not being told the whole truth and this is not a loss of recent recruiting data, vast majority never submitted an application etc....
I'm looking for avenues to complain. And PMA won't be informed if I change address, as per reservist liability etc....can't trust them obviously!
What is the extent of the data held? My view is that we are not being told the whole truth and this is not a loss of recent recruiting data, vast majority never submitted an application etc....
I'm looking for avenues to complain. And PMA won't be informed if I change address, as per reservist liability etc....can't trust them obviously!
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Credit where it's due....
I must admit to being fairly unsurprised to learn of the amount of data lost but also somewhat concerned.
A quick email later and my sense of dread deepened as I was informed that there MAY, how can they only think that there might?, be information regarding my application on the laptop. Sure enough this was accompanied by a raft of documentaion they required to confirm my identity before passing on any more information.
However, once I'd responded with a fairly strongly worded damning indictment of the process so far and a refusal to release anymore personal information I was, considering this is JPAC we're dealing with here, frankly astounded to recieve on my private overseas mobile number a phone call, identity check over the phone and confirmation of exactly what data was on the laptop.
So yes, Lt/PO Moron should be hung drawn and quartered and yes OUR data security as a whole is shocking
BUT and I'm choking on my frikadellen as I type this, well done JPAC...
A quick email later and my sense of dread deepened as I was informed that there MAY, how can they only think that there might?, be information regarding my application on the laptop. Sure enough this was accompanied by a raft of documentaion they required to confirm my identity before passing on any more information.
However, once I'd responded with a fairly strongly worded damning indictment of the process so far and a refusal to release anymore personal information I was, considering this is JPAC we're dealing with here, frankly astounded to recieve on my private overseas mobile number a phone call, identity check over the phone and confirmation of exactly what data was on the laptop.
So yes, Lt/PO Moron should be hung drawn and quartered and yes OUR data security as a whole is shocking
BUT and I'm choking on my frikadellen as I type this, well done JPAC...
For Information.
The data base also contained data of people who applied for a Commission as certain types of RESERVISTS.
Swiss Des said that he did not think details of reservists were held on this data base.
Yet again
He was wrong!
The data base also contained data of people who applied for a Commission as certain types of RESERVISTS.
Swiss Des said that he did not think details of reservists were held on this data base.
Yet again
He was wrong!
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a phone call,
identity check over the phone
and confirmation of exactly what data was on the laptop.
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Yes it was me!
Having received a reply to my rather abrupt email describing my disgust and contempt that more info was required; I gave a call to the data check people. They have changed the request process for serving personnel.
You guessed it - JPA in Glasgow! and yes I am amongst the lost data.
However, a big thank you to Ian who handled my call. He was very helpfull, although I had to keep reminding him that he was not responsible and that he shouldn't keep apologising.
I wish I could go face to face with the one who should though!
SA
P.S. I never thought I'd be thanking JPAC! THINGS MUST BE REALLY BAD?
You guessed it - JPA in Glasgow! and yes I am amongst the lost data.
However, a big thank you to Ian who handled my call. He was very helpfull, although I had to keep reminding him that he was not responsible and that he shouldn't keep apologising.
I wish I could go face to face with the one who should though!
SA
P.S. I never thought I'd be thanking JPAC! THINGS MUST BE REALLY BAD?
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Astounded my name is on the list!
Just received a 'personal' letter today (massed produced mailshot to victims) stating my details were part of the recruitment data lost. The reason I'm so annoyed is that I joined the RAF 24 years ago and am still serving! So what f&@k are they playing at having my personal details on a disc for????
Will be phoning the helpline tomorrow (JPA) to see exactly they are playing at.......
Will be phoning the helpline tomorrow (JPA) to see exactly they are playing at.......
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Data Protection Act
Quote "Subject rights
The data protection act creates rights for those who have their data stored, and responsibilities for those who store or collect personal data.
The person who has their data processed has the right to:
View the data an organisation holds on them, for a small fee, known as 'subject access'.
Request that incorrect information is corrected. If the company ignores the request, a court can order the data to be corrected or destroyed, and in some cases compensation can be awarded.
Require that data is not used in a way which causes damage or distress.
Require that their data is not used for direct marketing."
Does anybody know if an individual has the right to take the MOD to court over this cock up as well?
Acording to the Imformation Comissioners Office's document at http://www.ico.gov.uk/upload/documen...lain_final.pdf page 11 states we may be able to claim compensation for breaches of the act through the courts.
Any friendly lawyers out there have any ideas??
The data protection act creates rights for those who have their data stored, and responsibilities for those who store or collect personal data.
The person who has their data processed has the right to:
View the data an organisation holds on them, for a small fee, known as 'subject access'.
Request that incorrect information is corrected. If the company ignores the request, a court can order the data to be corrected or destroyed, and in some cases compensation can be awarded.
Require that data is not used in a way which causes damage or distress.
Require that their data is not used for direct marketing."
Does anybody know if an individual has the right to take the MOD to court over this cock up as well?
Acording to the Imformation Comissioners Office's document at http://www.ico.gov.uk/upload/documen...lain_final.pdf page 11 states we may be able to claim compensation for breaches of the act through the courts.
Any friendly lawyers out there have any ideas??
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Nav Attacking, you can certainly take the MOD to court but I believe you must have proper grounds. A good solicitor would, I am sure, find proper grounds.
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Further action to be taken I think....
Having rung the JPAC yesterday and aked for the list of information on me that was lost, I will indeed be seeking legal advice (comes free with my home insurance, although how good they are at data protection issues is another matter).
The ICO looks like a good place to start and I shall be writing to them in the first instance to start the ball rolling; as for court proceedings, well I guess we'll have to wait and see what the investigation finds.....
A further point of concern is the fact that one of the items of information that was included is also the same data which JPAC default to ask you if you forget your password, nice one!! I hope that security hole gets plugged soonest. At this rate damages and stress caused might well be a reality if a fraudster has got hold of the information - beware everyone!
The ICO looks like a good place to start and I shall be writing to them in the first instance to start the ball rolling; as for court proceedings, well I guess we'll have to wait and see what the investigation finds.....
A further point of concern is the fact that one of the items of information that was included is also the same data which JPAC default to ask you if you forget your password, nice one!! I hope that security hole gets plugged soonest. At this rate damages and stress caused might well be a reality if a fraudster has got hold of the information - beware everyone!
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Someone asked in a post several pages ago about what the MOD is doing keeping data that is so old.
They actually keep certain data on you until the date of your 100th birthday, whether you are alive or dead at that point.
They actually keep certain data on you until the date of your 100th birthday, whether you are alive or dead at that point.
I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
Phoenix, that is true, my uncle went missing in 1943. I tried to get in touch with his widow in 1995. They had an address on file from the 50's but no record of pension. I didn't realise that was probably available with the War Pensions people instead.
But, and this is the question, why was this data on a non-networked laptop?
Maybe someone was number crunching to show how recruitment effectiveness had actually increased on his watch?
But, and this is the question, why was this data on a non-networked laptop?
Maybe someone was number crunching to show how recruitment effectiveness had actually increased on his watch?
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Miss Artist, who has made an application to join the RN, got a letter today, posted 2nd class, with an apology. The letter does not tell her what data of hers was on the laptop, and she will have to provide evidence of her ID before they will release that.
Given the worry, and possible disruption, a 1st class stamp wouldn't have been out of order.
Given the worry, and possible disruption, a 1st class stamp wouldn't have been out of order.
Loss Of Lap Tops
So, we get around this problem of losing laptops by not letting any laptops off the unit . Great!!! (Unless they have some very expensive security software installed which cannot be funded at the moment).
Next week I am going to a meeting with a very large civilian aerospace organisation, without a laptop to view the info that they are going to give me when I arrive.
I cannot even book out a machine that does not have any info on it. I require only a viewer to read the docs that will be supplied to me at the meeting. This, I am told can only be achieved by providing a business case to the big boys at High Wycombe and no reply can be expected until after I return from my meeting. So while the civilian representatives at the meeting are buried in their computers following the program, I have to sit there like a plank.
Once again the RAF will look very professional - NOT.
A knee-jerk reaction or what?
Why do we bother ??
Next week I am going to a meeting with a very large civilian aerospace organisation, without a laptop to view the info that they are going to give me when I arrive.
I cannot even book out a machine that does not have any info on it. I require only a viewer to read the docs that will be supplied to me at the meeting. This, I am told can only be achieved by providing a business case to the big boys at High Wycombe and no reply can be expected until after I return from my meeting. So while the civilian representatives at the meeting are buried in their computers following the program, I have to sit there like a plank.
Once again the RAF will look very professional - NOT.
A knee-jerk reaction or what?
Why do we bother ??
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Miss Artist, who has made an application to join the RN, got a letter today, posted 2nd class, with an apology. The letter does not tell her what data of hers was on the laptop, and she will have to provide evidence of her ID before they will release that.
My youngest had such a letter yesterday, as he is currently in Afghan I opened it to check if anything needed to be done before he gets home, today another letter exactly the same arrived, why send 2 letters, our eldest should also have been on the list as it goes back to 1999 I understand, we now await his letter(s).
My youngest had such a letter yesterday, as he is currently in Afghan I opened it to check if anything needed to be done before he gets home, today another letter exactly the same arrived, why send 2 letters, our eldest should also have been on the list as it goes back to 1999 I understand, we now await his letter(s).
Being on a UAS, and having done a full application before that, I'm expecting one, if not two letters.
But they're having a laugh if they think they're getting any more details from me to lose.
Best other options? Legal stuff sounds interesting - if enough people do it surely some more drastic action would have to take place, rather than some knee jerk reaction to prevent people from doing their jobs.
But they're having a laugh if they think they're getting any more details from me to lose.
Best other options? Legal stuff sounds interesting - if enough people do it surely some more drastic action would have to take place, rather than some knee jerk reaction to prevent people from doing their jobs.
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This Must be a Cover UP
I have just receive the said letter from the MOD saying that details given when I expressed an interest in joining the RAF have been lost. I joined in 1969!! Assuming the figure of 600,000 is correct, then this is many times the number of total serving personnel. I will be writing to both my MP for a further explanation and my solicitor to see what action can be taken.