Iranian Patrol boats threaten US Warships
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Phalanx Block 1B does indeed have FLIR and surface mode. However Port Royal is also equipped with MK38 Mod 2, and this would have been weapon of choice for this type of threat - fully stabilized, remotely operated, Toplite electro-optic flir sight, with laser range finder, 168 rounds of 25mm high explosive incendiary with tracer on mount. Bye bye speedboats.
Phalanx Block 1B does indeed have FLIR and surface mode. However Port Royal is also equipped with MK38 Mod 2, and this would have been weapon of choice for this type of threat - fully stabilized, remotely operated, Toplite electro-optic flir sight, with laser range finder, 168 rounds of 25mm high explosive incendiary with tracer on mount. Bye bye speedboats.
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Apparently the Iranians are now saying that what was shown in the videos was simply routine ops. Perhaps they want to change their 'routine' before they get hosed with lead.
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When I first heard about the incident I remarked the U.S. warships had shown commendable restraint; having seen the video of just how close the nuts in speed boats were, I'm not so sure !
I would suspect it will be made extremely clear to the Iranians that ' if they do that again...'
As for the source of the radio broadcast, I can't believe for a second it was just a spectator joining in - DF will sort that out so the answer is known I imagine.
May even have been a pre-recorded message as part of nutter training, set off in error - seeing as this lot weren't all that suicidal ( in as much as pressing home an attack ); what they did was very like what's now known as ' suicide by cop ' though !
As for 'popping smoke', well even little things like my sailing boat have radar, probably able to show a bl**dy great warship in calm seas even if mounted on a fast moving speed boat...
As it turned out, the right call was made ( I suspect some senior officers might feel differently )- but I must say if it was me, the speed boat enthusiasts would still be coming down in tiny fragments right now, and I suspect that will be the reception decreed for any repeat perfomers.
The Americans have proven they're not trigger-happy as some make out - but they should be able now to feel free to react to threats like that.
I would suspect it will be made extremely clear to the Iranians that ' if they do that again...'
As for the source of the radio broadcast, I can't believe for a second it was just a spectator joining in - DF will sort that out so the answer is known I imagine.
May even have been a pre-recorded message as part of nutter training, set off in error - seeing as this lot weren't all that suicidal ( in as much as pressing home an attack ); what they did was very like what's now known as ' suicide by cop ' though !
As for 'popping smoke', well even little things like my sailing boat have radar, probably able to show a bl**dy great warship in calm seas even if mounted on a fast moving speed boat...
As it turned out, the right call was made ( I suspect some senior officers might feel differently )- but I must say if it was me, the speed boat enthusiasts would still be coming down in tiny fragments right now, and I suspect that will be the reception decreed for any repeat perfomers.
The Americans have proven they're not trigger-happy as some make out - but they should be able now to feel free to react to threats like that.
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Both US and Iranian vids show the same incident but some interesting editing from both sides can twist what happened. At least one Iranian vid shows the speed boat transmitting still in the water some distance from the USN whilst his oppos can be heard revving off in the distance (also sound and picture jump at one point). Also some fairly close 'recce' pictures but the destroyers are clearly going max chat (30ish Knts?) with the speed boats matching them whilst the camera pans left and right. Too close for comfort in these stressful times. One persons 'routine ops' becomes someone else 'hostile act' too easily.
Did they or didn't they threaten to blow them up is the question? Either way we can all be thankful that this scenario didn't go downhill very quickly.
Did they or didn't they threaten to blow them up is the question? Either way we can all be thankful that this scenario didn't go downhill very quickly.
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Next time these fockers turn up we should follow them round with these....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEjzl...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEjzl...eature=related
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I suppose you and your contemporaries within the Belgium navy also pan the Iranians audio. As suggested, time to invest in a better pair of walkie talkie's for your navy. Radio shack if I may suggest.
I suppose you and your contemporaries within the Belgium navy also pan the Iranians audio. As suggested, time to invest in a better pair of walkie talkie's for your navy. Radio shack if I may suggest.
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And may I suggest you US Navy to rely more on seamanship and common sence then technology, seeing that during joint manoeuvres in 2000, your Navy wasn't even able to use the sextant nor understand flag signals...
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hahaha! The Pentagon have now admitted that the threats most probably did NOT come from the Iranian Speedboats...but from some unknown broadcaster...
To those who commented on my earlier post, your ignorance is forgiven.
To those who commented on my earlier post, your ignorance is forgiven.
The 'unknown' broadcaster could easily have been someone from IRGC ashore...
You said that it was 'impossible' for the transmissions to have come from the speedboats. As noted they could have done so with the correct kit, and it was this bald assertion that was picked up by people who have experience of using that kit for real - so accusing them of ignorance is just a tad arrogant.
You said that it was 'impossible' for the transmissions to have come from the speedboats. As noted they could have done so with the correct kit, and it was this bald assertion that was picked up by people who have experience of using that kit for real - so accusing them of ignorance is just a tad arrogant.
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Haha yourself chum...
While the transmission could have come from the speedboats or elsewhere as now mentioned, I think it a fair bet it will have been D.F'd & by various means & the transmitter source will be known.
In mentioning that transmission is possible from speed boats or similar, no-one showed any ignorance but was rather trying to be informative for you - I rather doubt you are who you say you are.
As for sextants, well they have their place for tuition but not ready use on a 21st century warship, & I suggest the U.S. ships could have flown International Code flag 'U' but what are the chances of the speedboat chaps recognising it ?!
All the signals these types need come neatly packaged, at high velocity.
While the transmission could have come from the speedboats or elsewhere as now mentioned, I think it a fair bet it will have been D.F'd & by various means & the transmitter source will be known.
In mentioning that transmission is possible from speed boats or similar, no-one showed any ignorance but was rather trying to be informative for you - I rather doubt you are who you say you are.
As for sextants, well they have their place for tuition but not ready use on a 21st century warship, & I suggest the U.S. ships could have flown International Code flag 'U' but what are the chances of the speedboat chaps recognising it ?!
All the signals these types need come neatly packaged, at high velocity.
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And may I suggest you US Navy to rely more on seamanship and common sence then technology, seeing that during joint manoeuvres in 2000, your Navy wasn't even able to use the sextant nor understand flag signals...
In the event it is the entire USN, then fortunately, we've got spares.
And you?
As for them, ask about the Belgium central government as of late.
As to your navy, did you discuss your findings will all three of your colleagues? Fishery protection isn't sexy, but its vital isn't it?
As to your navy, did you discuss your findings will all three of your colleagues? Fishery protection isn't sexy, but its vital isn't it?
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A couple of quick questions.
1. If the situation were reversed, and the Iranian Navy sent 3 large and immensly and unopposably powerful warships (hypothetically, I know they don't have any) to cruise 50 miles off the Florida coastline, would the US Navy :-
A. Stay in port.
B. Zoom out in whatever boats they could get hold of and give the Iranians some sh1t.
2. Does anybody think what the Iranians did was unreasonable (foolhardy yes, but that is often called bravery)in the face of, what is to them, a serious threat from a beligerent foe?
1. If the situation were reversed, and the Iranian Navy sent 3 large and immensly and unopposably powerful warships (hypothetically, I know they don't have any) to cruise 50 miles off the Florida coastline, would the US Navy :-
A. Stay in port.
B. Zoom out in whatever boats they could get hold of and give the Iranians some sh1t.
2. Does anybody think what the Iranians did was unreasonable (foolhardy yes, but that is often called bravery)in the face of, what is to them, a serious threat from a beligerent foe?
Russian bears make their way off US shores without threat. Intercepted yes, threatened no. I have no problem with the Iranians coming out for a look see, just do it right.
BTW, those aren't questions, its **** stirring.
BTW, those aren't questions, its **** stirring.
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Must I remind some people here that the US Navy themselves trough NATO asked the Belgians to take care of the mine sweeping in the street of Hormuz in the 90's as we are well known to be the best in the world in it? (and the best equipped ships for that matter). We still find WWII bombs in the North Sea and English Channel.
Oh, and no, on a voyage in 1999, near the Cabo Verde Islands, we lost our GPS system and did not have spares indeed...we continued on celestial navigation to Gran Canaria. So indeed, we have no modern equipment like the US Navy or the Royal N. No budget for that I'm afraid, but I doubt that the Iranians have their guys in the speedboats equipped with the most modern gimmicks...
Oh, and no, on a voyage in 1999, near the Cabo Verde Islands, we lost our GPS system and did not have spares indeed...we continued on celestial navigation to Gran Canaria. So indeed, we have no modern equipment like the US Navy or the Royal N. No budget for that I'm afraid, but I doubt that the Iranians have their guys in the speedboats equipped with the most modern gimmicks...
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1. If the situation were reversed, and the Iranian Navy sent 3 large and immensly and unopposably powerful warships (hypothetically, I know they don't have any) to cruise 50 miles off the Florida coastline, would the US Navy :-
A. Stay in port.
B. Zoom out in whatever boats they could get hold of and give the Iranians some sh1t.
2. Does anybody think what the Iranians did was unreasonable (foolhardy yes, but that is often called bravery)in the face of, what is to them, a serious threat from a beligerent foe?
A. Stay in port.
B. Zoom out in whatever boats they could get hold of and give the Iranians some sh1t.
2. Does anybody think what the Iranians did was unreasonable (foolhardy yes, but that is often called bravery)in the face of, what is to them, a serious threat from a beligerent foe?
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No AIDU.What Sun Tzu actually said was almost certainly in a totally different language, so back in your box.
And I thought the current opinion was that they didnt make the calls?
And I thought the current opinion was that they didnt make the calls?