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Gutersloh, Mid 70s

Old 8th Oct 2011, 07:48
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Yes I remember the Green Gilberts but that's about it. Think Keith Holland led them. Probably 1977.
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Old 8th Oct 2011, 09:44
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735 SU RAF Gutersloh
Darwin,

Did you you know either Paul Clayfield or George Rafferty while you were on 735?

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Old 9th Oct 2011, 21:05
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'I don't know if it was ever used but, I helped design a unit crest which incorporated a Tornado into the Borgholzhausen town crest'.

Darwen, Yes it was used and the old main gate sign was donated, along with 735 RSU photo album, to the Air Defence Museum at Neatishead. My tour was 1987 - 1991 and sadly watched the AA7mk4's depart to the scrapyard and delivered the third to RNAF Soesterberg aviation museum.
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Old 10th Oct 2011, 00:52
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Yes I remember the Green Gilberts but that's about it. Think Keith Holland led them. Probably 1977.
The late, tragically killed Sqn Boss? If so, I took the Station photographer to the accident site (the Harrier squadron was deployed in the field) and we flew over and around the still smouldering aftermath for the BOI photos. A sad and sobering scene.

I think his was the third Harrier accident I attended (did this for a Jaguar one, too, just south of Gutersloh). Thankfully the rest of them got out alive.
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Old 11th Oct 2011, 15:59
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You are right Shy - he was a top bloke.

Were not some thinly disguised similarities to his crash (ie, boss distracted with Admin triv) used in a Flight safety fillum a bit later on??
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FS film

Was that not a Javelin crew who had difficulty getting cash from the Accounts Flight at Akr?

That dates me somewhat.....
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Was that not a Javelin crew who had difficulty getting cash from the Accounts Flight at Akr?
I think it was a Jag film. Home life, deployment pressure, maintenance and admin were all in it.

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Yes I remember the Green Gilberts but that's about it. Think Keith Holland led them. Probably 1977.
Hi all. Not sure if the old man led it but he was definitely in a team who displayed for the Queens Silver Jubilee at Finningley. I remember being allowed to watch the full dress rehearsal. I think he got an AFC for this. Pete Squire (future CAS) was also in the team I believe. Lots of practices from Feb '77 until the display on 29 Jul '77.

You are right Shy - he was a top bloke.

Were not some thinly disguised similarities to his crash (ie, boss distracted with Admin triv) used in a Flight safety fillum a bit later on??
I always hear he was a nice man..and funny. I wish I had been able to get to know him properly. He is still missed.

His accident was indeed a case study on the Flying Authorisers Course. I couldn't hide a small grin when JP announced we would be studying a Harrier Sqn Boss' accident during the week. I was sat next to an older Harrier Sqn Ldr who had been told he had to attend the course. After the welcome he sidled over to JP and whispered something in his ear. We never did do the case study although I would have been fine about it. I've read the accident report and it is sobering but nothing can be changed now. I'm just pleased that he was, by most accounts, a popular and witty pilot (rare for Harrier pilots, I know ). Cheers to all who knew him.
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It was supposidly a Jag flt cdr who was distracted by lots of triv, I know, I was in it. If you see it I was the bloke playing the fruit machine!

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Old 12th Oct 2011, 23:30
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The Harrier accident was used as a case study on my Flying Supervisor's Course.

The original FS film involved a Javelin crew returning to the UK to fly a replacement jet out east - and the frustrations faced by its crew at various stages of the trip. A trip which would seem like paradise today.

The remake involved a Jaguar Flt Cdr. Not as good as the original Javelin version, but it still made some good points.
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With apologies, you made me chuckle

The make up department must have worked hard on prepping you for your role in the film as a fruit machine. What did they do, tie one arm behind your back and stand you in the corner?

Once again threeputt, I'm sorry but I've got tears rolling down my face and perhaps an overactive imagination

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A few weeks before Wg Cdr Holland's sad demise I recall him playing a tea chest double bass at a beer call, as part of a Harrier mates' band.
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Gutersloh Memories

Just 'happened' on this site - fantastic that people still remember their time at the Mighty Gut as some of the best of their lives.....you couldn't recreate that heady mix of hard work, screechers, nurses and wobbly!
Fresh from Catterick I was posted to 63 and sailed south on the 'SS' QE2 and in a later life came back as the Rock on 4 Sqn - and was honoured to be part of a great group of guys - most of whom I have failed miserably to stay in touch with....sorry....!!

I lived out at Harsewinkel for a while and had a flat beneath Mr and Mrs Cliffy.....then had a place on Bottom Patch near to Mark 'Rambo' Frith and the Gottlich's....! My brother in law was the Adj on 3 Sqn so it was a big family affair ....unfortunately my happy marriage didn't survive the rigours of RAF life....but I've made up for it since with a standard NATO - wife and 3 kids!

Happy days.......
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I was at Wildenrath and Gutersloh with Keith Holland - a great guy his loss stunned us all.

Does anyone know the title of that Javelin FS film? I saw it too when I joined in '72 and remember how good it was.
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ISTR that it was called "Frustration".

A very good film I thought. Brings back memories.

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I was at Raynham with Keith, 66/67. I then followed on from him at the RAAF Staff College in Canberra - his was an impossibly hard act to follow. Terrific bloke, and one of many that didn't make the full term.
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I did have a couple of emails back and forth via PPR with Keith's son a while back.
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Lightning T5?

I believe 19 and 92 Squadrons flew the T4 and not the T5
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Javelin flic

Mad bob is correct- the Javelin movie was called "frustration". It was excellent. RAF was light years ahead of the civvies in "Human Factors" training.
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I had the pleasure and privilege of knowing Pete Stone briefly when we were both Air Cadets together. He was then the Senior Staff Cadet at 1AEF RAF Manston (the Boss then was S/L "Jonnie" Johnston) when he "assessed" my suitability to join the team ! I passed !

Even then he managed to persuade his then girl friend to wash and iron his uniform shirts for him as a cadet ! He'd also scrounged a complete Flying Clothing Card's worth of kit ... much of which was superior to that issued to the AEF pilots. Straight after gaining his Flying Scholarship I believe he did a trip across the North Sea in a single engined "puddle jumper" ... Yes ... he was most certainly a character and top bloke Very sad day when I learn't of his demise in a Harrier T Bird accident in Germany

His passion for a good night out probably started here with mates from 617 VGS and 1AEF...



In addition to the daring do's mentioned here ... legend has it that Pete took a Lightning super sonic, at below mast height, past a Rusian Trawler Earwigger down in the Med ... which, after the event, he regarded as a legitimate enemy intercept. Must have been interesting for them

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