Disband the Royal Air Force?
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Boldface, you beat me to it.
'We are the most educated of the 3 services and Im sure pilots would rather have brainy people to fix there aircraft rather than some fishboy'
Md -This is utter tosh. Spell and punctuationcheck.
The interesting thing from my point of view is that the green players are sitting on the sidelines observing the Dark vs Light Battle. All of this 'history shows..' matters for nothing if the Civil Servers decide and issue a 'make it so'.
If you think the 'history shows...' will then have any sway you are deluding yourself.
Having just returned recently from our fun and games with a fallen comrade, whatever Service you are in, Stay Safe!
G
'We are the most educated of the 3 services and Im sure pilots would rather have brainy people to fix there aircraft rather than some fishboy'
Md -This is utter tosh. Spell and punctuationcheck.
The interesting thing from my point of view is that the green players are sitting on the sidelines observing the Dark vs Light Battle. All of this 'history shows..' matters for nothing if the Civil Servers decide and issue a 'make it so'.
If you think the 'history shows...' will then have any sway you are deluding yourself.
Having just returned recently from our fun and games with a fallen comrade, whatever Service you are in, Stay Safe!
G
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The correct abbreviation for the Royal Air Force is RAF, the same way that the correct abbreviations for the Royal Navy and the Army are fishheads and pongoes respectively.
It's called Service Writing, see.
It's called Service Writing, see.
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Actually, I think it's called Defence Writing now.
Whatever, anyone who worries about whether Royal Air Force should be abbreviated RAF, R.A.F. or 'Raff' needs to get out more.
Whatever, anyone who worries about whether Royal Air Force should be abbreviated RAF, R.A.F. or 'Raff' needs to get out more.
I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
minigundiplomat, I suspect you may have been had. If that was a post by a 13 year old then there may be hope for the country yet.
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Whatever, anyone who worries about whether Royal Air Force should be abbreviated RAF, R.A.F. or 'Raff' needs to get out more.
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I suspect that BF and his unfortunate ilk will still not be "worrying", when what little is left of the Service is finally disbanded around them.
By then they will probably have accepted dumbly , as the next stage in the process , that "RAF" - like "BAe ", is actually a meaningless term ( a mere brand name) and no longer even worth preserving for something that once existed.
Our predecessors fought for and created the first independent air force in the world and were well aware of the games of those who would seek to undermine it.
I would suggest that the deliberately, incrementally eroded, R.A.F. Officer "training" system has , of recent years, particularly since Cranwell went comprehensive , subliminally allowed compromise of this heritage and now leaves the floodgates open to those with other agendas.
By then they will probably have accepted dumbly , as the next stage in the process , that "RAF" - like "BAe ", is actually a meaningless term ( a mere brand name) and no longer even worth preserving for something that once existed.
Our predecessors fought for and created the first independent air force in the world and were well aware of the games of those who would seek to undermine it.
I would suggest that the deliberately, incrementally eroded, R.A.F. Officer "training" system has , of recent years, particularly since Cranwell went comprehensive , subliminally allowed compromise of this heritage and now leaves the floodgates open to those with other agendas.
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Thank you very much pontius navigator there is some hope for the country yet. My sole ambition is to become a pilot in the RAF, R.A.F. or Raff depending on where you reside. I do not want to bring up the grammatical error war for the insane again.
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I would learn to spell 'country' before you pin your dreams of defending it in an aircraft.
Good luck anyway, Im sure you will fit right in on the F3 fleet.
(well edited Henry, learning has taken place)
Good luck anyway, Im sure you will fit right in on the F3 fleet.
(well edited Henry, learning has taken place)
I heard a little dit a few months back - can't remember where, may have been one of the numerous HQ propaganda rags doing the rounds - where a very high paid scrambled egg type recounted sitting in on a pre-mission brief at Bastion prior to a major op.
He too wondered how things would play out between the various services in theatre, but allegedly at the brief sat there quietly with his eyes closed trying to pick up the differences between the various services, all of whom were represented in one shape or form at the bird table. Apparently, he hadn't got a clue who was green, light blue or dark blue, aircrew or ground branch, but instead just heard a bunch of professionals doing their jobs to the best of their abilities with the singular aim of killing as many TB as possible whilst minimizing our own casualties.
If only we could show that same effectiveness and spirit of unity when dealing with the politicians and the Treasury instead of acting like children throwing a tantrum, we'd have them into a corner and whilst not necessarily beaten, almost certainly put in their place. Instead we do their job for them -by dividing and conquering ourselves. Inter-service rivalry and banter is great, it is what marks us and our individual services out and shows there is life in them yet despite the politicians and civil serpents. But do we have to constantly descend to bickering and sniping in public - lets leave the banter to the bar and get together and hammer the real enemy.
He too wondered how things would play out between the various services in theatre, but allegedly at the brief sat there quietly with his eyes closed trying to pick up the differences between the various services, all of whom were represented in one shape or form at the bird table. Apparently, he hadn't got a clue who was green, light blue or dark blue, aircrew or ground branch, but instead just heard a bunch of professionals doing their jobs to the best of their abilities with the singular aim of killing as many TB as possible whilst minimizing our own casualties.
If only we could show that same effectiveness and spirit of unity when dealing with the politicians and the Treasury instead of acting like children throwing a tantrum, we'd have them into a corner and whilst not necessarily beaten, almost certainly put in their place. Instead we do their job for them -by dividing and conquering ourselves. Inter-service rivalry and banter is great, it is what marks us and our individual services out and shows there is life in them yet despite the politicians and civil serpents. But do we have to constantly descend to bickering and sniping in public - lets leave the banter to the bar and get together and hammer the real enemy.
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Are you sure that's not 1700 o'clock, pm, in the afternoon goudie????
I'll just rely on the dog sitting by the front door, she's much better at telling the time than I am.
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Hear, Hear!
Well said melchett01, however, it is nice to see the press giving the 'civil serpents' (nice one) and the Government a hard time over the treatment and funding of the military. None of the armed forces should be disbanded, merged or reduced any further as the country still needs them. I feel we are all on the same team but the players should stop arguing amongst themselves as unity of purpose with diversity is the key to flexibility and effectiveness! 
(that's almost politician weasel speak)
As for the spelling and grammar why dont you lot do the Sun crossword or watch b****y countdown! Alternatively, go out and get a life? LOL
Oh by the way, despite that RN eejit (irish spelling of idiot, before someone brings it up) I wish all my colleagues light blue, green or dark blue a great Christmas and a good Hogmanay. Be lucky and safe!
(that's almost politician weasel speak)As for the spelling and grammar why dont you lot do the Sun crossword or watch b****y countdown! Alternatively, go out and get a life? LOL
Oh by the way, despite that RN eejit (irish spelling of idiot, before someone brings it up) I wish all my colleagues light blue, green or dark blue a great Christmas and a good Hogmanay. Be lucky and safe!
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Well considering all the shiney toys the RAF has, other than support helicopers (which these days seem to be doing all the heavy lifting, no pun, for the RAF) you're only supplying 7 Harriers in Afghanistan. The transport fleet are doing a good job too, but theres a lot of you whining how clever and great you are but honestly, you bring nothing to the table for the rest of us so why do we even need you?
you bring nothing to the table for the rest of us so why do we even need you
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No need to be defensive Melchy
It was deliberately provocative, but a serious question about what the remainder of the RAF bring to the table? There’s a lot of shiny, expensive RAF kit not doing very much when that money could be well spent elsewhere. It's fine and well saying but what about future this that and the other, but Joe squaddie is fighting a war today.
No longer in Oz, guess I need to update that, but have plenty of time in the Army thank you very much even though I now work as an engineer, does that somehow make my thoughts invalid? Or are you saying something else?
It was deliberately provocative, but a serious question about what the remainder of the RAF bring to the table? There’s a lot of shiny, expensive RAF kit not doing very much when that money could be well spent elsewhere. It's fine and well saying but what about future this that and the other, but Joe squaddie is fighting a war today.
No longer in Oz, guess I need to update that, but have plenty of time in the Army thank you very much even though I now work as an engineer, does that somehow make my thoughts invalid? Or are you saying something else?
OK I'll bite....
That would be the Harriers that the government approve the deployment of... If we wanted to send more we couldn't without their approval. That would be the squadron's worth of aircrew and groundcrew which means that they rotate through 1 "tour" in every four (because we only have 4 sqns), so about the same as the army are doing.
That would be the GR4 unit based in ***** and the C130s, C17s, VC10s and Tristars that are doing their best, with ever aging jets, to keep all theatres supplied. And the Merlins, Pumas and Chinooks that are deployed to Afghanistan and Iraq. And the VC10 tankers supporting both theatres. And the Nimrod MR2s and R1s that are operating out of ***** in support of both theatres. And the F3s, Herc & VC10 in the Falklands. And the Sea Kings and Nimrods on UK SAR. And the E3s, VC10 and F3s on UK QRA. And the RAF doctors, dentists, air traffickers, chefs, police, regiment etc that are in Iraq, Afghanistan and the Falklands. And......
So obviously lots of shiny kit (and personnel) "not doing anything". Oh and by the way the money is already spent so it couldn't be spent elsewhere anyway!! Typical green thinking and understanding of air power - again!!
Oh Damn. I was trying my best to keep out of this one as it was deliberately provocative and the usual tripe from the other 2 services.
Merry Christmas everyone, particularly to those stationed away from home this Christmas.
but a serious question about what the remainder of the RAF bring to the table? There’s a lot of shiny, expensive RAF kit not doing very much when that money could be well spent elsewhere.
That would be the GR4 unit based in ***** and the C130s, C17s, VC10s and Tristars that are doing their best, with ever aging jets, to keep all theatres supplied. And the Merlins, Pumas and Chinooks that are deployed to Afghanistan and Iraq. And the VC10 tankers supporting both theatres. And the Nimrod MR2s and R1s that are operating out of ***** in support of both theatres. And the F3s, Herc & VC10 in the Falklands. And the Sea Kings and Nimrods on UK SAR. And the E3s, VC10 and F3s on UK QRA. And the RAF doctors, dentists, air traffickers, chefs, police, regiment etc that are in Iraq, Afghanistan and the Falklands. And......
So obviously lots of shiny kit (and personnel) "not doing anything". Oh and by the way the money is already spent so it couldn't be spent elsewhere anyway!! Typical green thinking and understanding of air power - again!!
Oh Damn. I was trying my best to keep out of this one as it was deliberately provocative and the usual tripe from the other 2 services.
Merry Christmas everyone, particularly to those stationed away from home this Christmas.
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Well if you'd bothered your outraged ar$e to read my original post I acknowledged the transport fleet and SH contribution, which is significant and welcome. Well except movers of course.
Air Power is not Air Power if you can't project it, is it?!?!?! 7 Harriers is not enough to justify the remainder of the RAF, with aforementioned exceptions, when we are in a war, or do you think thats enough support for the Army in theatre to justify the rest of you?
I may not understand Air Power but if its not there in support it may as well not exist!!
The money may have been spent but I'm sure we could buy a few needed mine proof vehicles against the trade in value.
I may be pi$$ing you off a bit but you can bet people who can make a difference are asking the same questions. If you aren't bringing anything to the battle you had better start with a good explanation as to why you're still needed instead of dripping that the Army are stupid.
Air Power is not Air Power if you can't project it, is it?!?!?! 7 Harriers is not enough to justify the remainder of the RAF, with aforementioned exceptions, when we are in a war, or do you think thats enough support for the Army in theatre to justify the rest of you?
I may not understand Air Power but if its not there in support it may as well not exist!!
The money may have been spent but I'm sure we could buy a few needed mine proof vehicles against the trade in value.
I may be pi$$ing you off a bit but you can bet people who can make a difference are asking the same questions. If you aren't bringing anything to the battle you had better start with a good explanation as to why you're still needed instead of dripping that the Army are stupid.
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I may not understand Air Power
http://www.raf.mod.uk/downloads/ap3000.cfm