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PTT - until you end up on the deck in hostile territory and the fat tw8t can't run, slows you down and then gets you all captured (or shot) - very efficient!

Sounds like the overweight lump with a brain is in the front of your aircraft

How many posters have you seen telling you to dress for the outside environment not the crewroom or the cockpit - for dress read prepare mentally and physically and you have the answer to your poor arguments.

Not super fit just not superfat

[wg13_dummy]

Crab, you are slim compared to some of the bloaters knocking around the bazaars.


Maybe some of your bretheren here will listen to you as opposed to a pongo? They seem to think we are all fitness freaks too. We are not but at least most of us dont break into a sweat climbing into the cab.

[samuraimatt]

Blimey, dummy person you do drone on, your posts are like reading last weeks papers, pointless. I bet you can't wait for a thread like this to come along so you can pretend to be oh so superior. Instead of having ago at the Armed Forces why not try and be more supportive. No wonder the public don't give a damn with people like you about.GAL!!!.

[South Bound]

lol, sorry I am with wg and crab on this one. Bored of the 'it is ok to be fat as long as I can do my job' excuses for not being able to achieve mandated fitness standards. Of course, if our larger colleagues can do everything that is required of them professionally, achieve the fitness standards without whinging and not be at serious risk of loss of health, good luck to them, but we should remember the example that SNCOs and Officers are required to present. It is no wonder that the country's children struggle with weight and fitness when face with such role models.

[wg13_dummy]

Well said, South Bound.

Blimey, dummy person you do drone on, your posts are like reading last weeks papers, pointless. I bet you can't wait for a thread like this to come along so you can pretend to be oh so superior. Instead of having ago at the Armed Forces why not try and be more supportive. No wonder the public don't give a damn with people like you about.GAL!!!.

Pointless? Yeah, whatever tubby.


More supportive? I dont think I could be more supportive doing the job Im currently doing.

The public might give a bit more of a damn if they saw people who are supposed to be military looking, not some loady who looks like a walting re-enactor at a weekend military fair.

[samuraimatt]

Pointless? Yeah, whatever tubby.

I rest my case. Pointless, insignificant and pompous. I bet you just sit in an office all day thinking of ideas to slag off the RAF. I bet the guys in the recent Chinook programme would be happy to see what you think of them. Then again they are doing a real job for the front line troops so probably couldn't give a stuff of what you might think of them.

[wg13_dummy]

I rest my case. Pointless, insignificant and pompous. I bet you just sit in an office all day thinking of ideas to slag off the RAF. I bet the guys in the recent Chinook programme would be happy to see what you think of them. Then again they are doing a real job for the front line troops so probably couldn't give a stuff of what you might think of them.

I'll ask them next time I'm over that way.

I thought the argument was about fatties in instructional positions setting an example?

Are you one of those fatties?

[South Bound]

This really is brightening up a rather dreary afternoon, keep going fellas!

[wg13_dummy]

It is SB.

How long do you think it will be before some salad dodging loadie whines to Admin to get the thread removed?

Its military, its banter and its about aircrew (well, rearcrew any way).

[South Bound]

Most of the ones I meet can take a bit of banter, I just think that many people on here take their work/lives/right to eat cakes just a bit seriously. Hey if we can't laugh at ourselves, what right do we have to laugh at other people?

[samuraimatt]

I'll ask them next time I'm over that way.

Dummy on Herrick? Not two words you will see very often. I bet the furthest you have been recently is to the main gate at wallop. Perhaps if you did ever end up there (doubtful), on the way out you could shout from your Tristar seat "hey fatty where's my food" and see the response you get.

[wg13_dummy]

Dummy on Herrick? Not two words you will see very often. I bet the furthest you have been recently is to the main gate at wallop. Perhaps if you did ever end up there (doubtful), on the way out you could shout from your Tristar seat "hey fatty where's my food" and see the response you get.

Fortunately, you'll never know.

Nice to see you are also entering into the spirit of the thread.

Shame your banter is 'RAF Police' standard though.

You an ex copper, now salad dodging rearcrewman?

[Seldomfitforpurpose]

Not one to agree with SAM but he does have a point Wg

But here's a thought, and I think the fella is part of the Chinook black hand gang, there's a chinny crewman who is the size of Bournemouth and every stitch in his flying suit is doing overtime when he is dressed. He has the heart of a lion, answers to the name of the "ocerous" with the horn and has been seen and done things most of the desk bound rubber johnnys posting on here could only ever dream of being brave enough to do, me included................. so GW et al any of you fancy calling him a fat fecker.....

[samuraimatt]

Shame your banter is 'RAF Police' standard though.

it is still three levels above AAC banter.

you'll never know

I doubt you'll ever go.

[South Bound]

SFFP
and if he can do all that and pass his fitness test why should we care? If in any way he sets a poor example to those that wish to follow in his mighty footsteps as a result of his bulk, then hopefully his colleagues and seniors will have the moral courage to call him that. That is kinda the point the banter is aimed at - making people see that it is not big or clever to be a lardy and we should not pretend it is. In some cases, it is not necessarily a negative thing either, but we must carefully observe to ensure that it does not become negative.

Can we back back to the banter now please?

SB

[wg13_dummy]

We too have a couple of large characters with equally large frames and they are gods amongst men. They are the exception, not the rule. (Just dont call him J*l*a* ffs! )

Surely the thread is about addressing the original quote?



sam,

it is still three levels above AAC banter.

Who cares, you'll never be a pilot.

I doubt you'll ever go.

I'll send you a post card next week if you want?

[South Bound]

Shawbury I assume is the first place the students get to see their future Peers, what sort of example is it setting to see clinically obese bosses?

Indeed Wg13, time to back back to the question. Personally I think personal appearance is important. It is why we wear uniform, keep our hair short, shave daily etc, none of which would detract from an individual's ability to do their job, but we still do them anyway. It is all about personal standards, something the military must keep up in these times of declining standards in society.

[wg13_dummy]

Too true South Bound.

One hopes its one of the dividing lines between us and civpop.

I've noticed samuraimatt has only been in the services for about five minutes. I appologise for giving you the credit of being a fat old knacker.

Have you actually finished training yet?


Edited to add: Have you even started training yet?

[Seldomfitforpurpose]

So now there are exceptions to the rule.................ah the goal posts are moving. So for some it's perfectly OK to be a fat knacker.....provided of course you are a God whilst for the mere mortals it's totally inexcusable.

Come on Wg make your mind up chap

Ever considered the two reasons why a lot of us light blue are a bit on the plump side and spend years being like it?

a Because our fitness test is so feckin easy to pass

b Because we know it really winds you brown jobs up


edited to say forgot reason 3........because in the main we are brighter invariably we are paid shed loads more and hence can afford more lard etc

[PTT]

wg13

Obviously to make up for the lack brain you have.

Starting with an ad hominem attack really helps your argument here. I commend the tactic

If all you are after is 'just being able to do your job', poke off to SleazyJet.

Don't misquote me: you added the "just", I said "It's about being able to do your job, and ideally do it well." If you're going to argue with me then at least argue with what I'm actually saying and not what you want me to be saying. I do my job and do it well, just as many, if not most, overweight crewmen do. You were the one who wanted people to "look military", while I want people to be good at what they do.

Yet again, its not about being a bronzed, muscle bound adonis, its about setting a vaguely military like standard that the young chaps can look up to. Being a fat wheezy knacker with a sick note from matron doesn't exactly set you up to be classed as a cut above the rest, does it?

So looking the part is more important than being the part. Here I must disagree with you most strenuously - don't judge a book by its cover. As for "setting an example", I'd have to be pretty vain (and lacking a mirror) to want people to look like me!

I'd rather have a capable bloke with a brain who wouldn't become a liability if I had to start doing a Billy Whizz away from the teletubbies somewhere sharp.

Like I said: be able to do your job, and ideally do it well. E&E is part of that job in a hostile environment.

As has been said already, someone who doesnt have at least the basic personal discipline to stop being a fat bloke is probably lazy in the brain too.

Show me ONE piece of evidence to back that statement up! It sounds like something made up by a few smug, fit, and fairly stupid people to help them get over their inferiority complexes because they didn't do well at school.
I'd also disagree with the statement itself: it implies that every decent invention or idea has been made by some skinny chap simply because they "thought harder" (whatever that means!)

Crab

until you end up on the deck in hostile territory and the fat tw8t can't run, slows you down and then gets you all captured (or shot) - very efficient!

Like I said above, E&E is a part of the job. Be good at your job is all I ask.

Sounds like the overweight lump with a brain is in the front of your aircraft

Another ad hominem? Although delivered with a smile the intent is still clear. Really, attacking the arguer does not detract from the argument itself, you merely distract from your own inability to argue against it.

How many posters have you seen telling you to dress for the outside environment not the crewroom or the cockpit - for dress read prepare mentally and physically and you have the answer to your poor arguments.

I'll say it one more time: E&E is a part of the job. The preparation for that E&E takes many forms and I agree that you should be properly prepared for it or you are not doing your job.
Simply stating that my arguments are "poor" does not make them so. You actually have to show the flaws in them to do that.

Not super fit just not superfat

Not super-anything. Capable, and able to do the job well.