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Didn't mean to sound so provocative. It's quite complicated if you go somewhere other than your normal place of work and or claim pcr mileage. When I said not far off, I meant that I hadn't counted it all exactly but I think I probably got more days HTD than I actually traveled with leave, dets and nights away.
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Its a few years since I claimed but having asked a very similar question I was told by those in the know that the journeys are return ones. The number was derived from assuming that you will take some leave each month and therefore to assist in reducing paperwork each time you do take leave they (the system) averages out your claim. This means that you do not have to refill/adjust claims each time and seemed sensible to me. This pre-dates JPA but I assume that the rules should in the glorious bedtime read of the JPA JSP.
The 40p & 25p rates are something to do with tax rates and what the tax office says is acceptable.
The 40p & 25p rates are something to do with tax rates and what the tax office says is acceptable.
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The PCR and HtoD are different rates although at any one time they may be the same pence per mile 
They are different because you can claim tax relief on 40p/m minus PCR whereas you cannot make such a claim for HtoD.
There is another gotcha as well.
Melchett lives 40 miles WEST of Melchett Field and commutes the 40 miles each way each day.
One day Melchett leaves Melchett Towers to visit HQ 30 miles WEST. From Melchett Field that is 70 miles but he can only claim the 30 miles.
The next week Melchett has to visit the higher HQ some 20 miles EAST of Melchett Field. What can Melchett claim now?
Can he claim 60 miles PCR each way or the normal 40 mile HtoD and 20 miles further at PCR?
Now it can get really interesting. Suppose the fastest journey is via the motorway and is 140 miles round trip but Handbrake House will only pay for the 120 miles.
Melchett can claim tax relief on 40p/m-PCR for the 120 miles AND 40p/p for the additional 20 miles. If the tax man asks for proof then Melchett will attatch the JPA print for the 120 and an autoroute print for the 140. Better he will have retained a fuel receipt from somewhere on the longer journey.
They are different because you can claim tax relief on 40p/m minus PCR whereas you cannot make such a claim for HtoD.
There is another gotcha as well.
Melchett lives 40 miles WEST of Melchett Field and commutes the 40 miles each way each day.
One day Melchett leaves Melchett Towers to visit HQ 30 miles WEST. From Melchett Field that is 70 miles but he can only claim the 30 miles.
The next week Melchett has to visit the higher HQ some 20 miles EAST of Melchett Field. What can Melchett claim now?
Can he claim 60 miles PCR each way or the normal 40 mile HtoD and 20 miles further at PCR?
Now it can get really interesting. Suppose the fastest journey is via the motorway and is 140 miles round trip but Handbrake House will only pay for the 120 miles.
Melchett can claim tax relief on 40p/m-PCR for the 120 miles AND 40p/p for the additional 20 miles. If the tax man asks for proof then Melchett will attatch the JPA print for the 120 and an autoroute print for the 140. Better he will have retained a fuel receipt from somewhere on the longer journey.
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PN, it gets worse!
Unfortunately, the JPA print doesn't say how many miles you have claimed, only the amount. Not only do you have to print your hard copy within 30 days of the claim (no facility to review claims older than that) but the tax man only sees your payment amount which of course includes your HTD abatement...
Melchett can claim tax relief on 40p/m-PCR for the 120 miles AND 40p/p for the additional 20 miles. If the tax man asks for proof then Melchett will attatch the JPA print for the 120 and an autoroute print for the 140. Better he will have retained a fuel receipt from somewhere on the longer journey.
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Autorev, thanks, I didn't (need ) to know that however I am sure it is a useful reminder to others considering that JPA is so reliable and accurate, paying what is due when it is due.
Provided you keep a hard copy and annotate it with the PCR rate that they applied that is a start. Then I would recommend making a written note on the copy, as well as the Autoroute printout, how many PCR miles were claimed and the total distance covered all the way from home. In the case I cited the 140 might have been abatd by handbrake house by 80 (Melchette's normal comute) and only the extra 40 given PCR. Melchette would therefore claim tax relief on the 100 miles at 40 p/m ie £40@TR which would be £8.8 or £16 cash back from the tax man plus the little extra from the PCR difference.
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y smoke and mirrors.
) to know that however I am sure it is a useful reminder to others considering that JPA is so reliable and accurate, paying what is due when it is due.Provided you keep a hard copy and annotate it with the PCR rate that they applied that is a start. Then I would recommend making a written note on the copy, as well as the Autoroute printout, how many PCR miles were claimed and the total distance covered all the way from home. In the case I cited the 140 might have been abatd by handbrake house by 80 (Melchette's normal comute) and only the extra 40 given PCR. Melchette would therefore claim tax relief on the 100 miles at 40 p/m ie £40@TR which would be £8.8 or £16 cash back from the tax man plus the little extra from the PCR difference.
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I'm currently one of the lucky ones getting HTD cos the RAF gave me a quarter some miles frome camp, along with 3 others on my section. Now it seems our loony IC has decided he wants to change our start time and cause the mother of headaches for the rest of the station. Why am I ranting? How does this affect my HTD? Well the station does provide transport but at a time later than I start. It seems this idiot hasn't looked for/at the bigger picture to see who else his ideas inconvenience. With any luck MT have told him to shove his idea right up the place where the sun doesn't shine.
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Apologies for not responding earlier, the bouncing of this thread back to the top reminds me to do so now:
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Happened to me last year and no-one seemed to care very much. The key point was that I had applied for an FQ at new place of duty and the fact that I was waiting for one to be allocated satisfied the requirement.
Not sure how it would be seen for a longer-term inability to serve accompanied. At one point I was posted to a tour that was expected to be just under a year in duration, and I was able to obtain an agreement that it was unreasonable to be expected to serve accompanied based on the number of preceeding moves and the fact that I would be returning to the previous unit after 12 mths. I used the fact that I had an 8-yr-old child on his 3rd school to support my case and PMA agreed to detach me rather than post me. It seems to be OK for those posted to MoD thogh I have no personal experience of that.
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Not sure; I think it was either the current Licence To Occupy a Service Families Quarter, or the European (it's not really a) Constitution (honest, so you won't need a referendum).
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how does the lack of FQs work with the mobility contract of uplifting the whole family on posting if there are no FQs at your next duty station?
Not sure how it would be seen for a longer-term inability to serve accompanied. At one point I was posted to a tour that was expected to be just under a year in duration, and I was able to obtain an agreement that it was unreasonable to be expected to serve accompanied based on the number of preceeding moves and the fact that I would be returning to the previous unit after 12 mths. I used the fact that I had an 8-yr-old child on his 3rd school to support my case and PMA agreed to detach me rather than post me. It seems to be OK for those posted to MoD thogh I have no personal experience of that.
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So what came first?
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How long ago was that?
I believe the RAB has b
d that ploy around. If you are posted your salary etc moves to the new UIN. If you are detached it remains on your old unit and you remain on their establishment too.Unless they voluntarily run under manned they finish up with both you and your replacement on their books.
I know a good few years ago this was an issue with the RAF/RN exchange at Waddo. "We" lost a sgt and gained a warrant. They lost the warrant and gained a sgt. Naturally the whole process got bogged down in offsets.
We are going through the same process again. We have "lost" 3 or 4 sgts (that we didn't have) and gained a WO.
Basically, the detachment ploy can only work if both stations agree.
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Strange as it seems, this was a situation approved of at Waddington some years ago (and may still be going on)
Those of us allocated quarters at Scampton were given HTD/RPOD (Residence to Place of Duty IIRC) even though MT provided a bus service. The reason for the HTD/RPOD was quoted as "we can only provide one bus at any one time and if everyone used MT we would need to provide 4 or 5". They just accepted that sometimes people would use MT and claim HTD/RPOD.
You claim HTD even though you use MT? 
Those of us allocated quarters at Scampton were given HTD/RPOD (Residence to Place of Duty IIRC) even though MT provided a bus service. The reason for the HTD/RPOD was quoted as "we can only provide one bus at any one time and if everyone used MT we would need to provide 4 or 5". They just accepted that sometimes people would use MT and claim HTD/RPOD.
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Leon, not so old boy. If you use the bus regularly I'd stop claiming the HTD, quietly, or stop using the bus and use the car you are being compensated for using. As I understand it you are only entitiled to the HTD if your working hours/routine prevent you using the MT, I had to give justification when I started the HTD. Having been "investigated" along with many others after Op Deny Flight I really recommend that you are squeeky with any claim that gets put in.
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This was when Neatishead was due to cease ops for one year whilst the UCCS was installed. We were all moved to Boulmer, then a large %age were going to move back. I had already been told I was going back to Neatishead, therefore it was a no-brainer as far as I was concerned. As far as bugets were concerned we were all in the same (ASACS) pot anyway so it made very little difference. The only snag in the cunning plan was when they announced, at very short-notice, that the UCCS was going to be installed at Scampton instead. From that point all bets were off, but I had been given authority, in writing, to do what I described in my last post.
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You claim HTD even though you use MT?
The view at Medmenham when the cessation of individual journey claims came in was that occasional use of MT was permitted. I used MT all the time, but I recall there were those who mixed and matched depending on the tasking. I think 17 journeys each mth was the requirement, on average, for a standing claim, if it dropped below that the advice was to claim for single journeys. It's interesting to note the different standards and requirements of proof required of us compared with our elected representatives - I can honestly say I've never put a travel claim in for any of my children!
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I believe the RAB has bd that ploy around. If you are posted your salary etc moves to the new UIN. If you are detached it remains on your old unit and you remain on their establishment too.
d that ploy around. If you are posted your salary etc moves to the new UIN. If you are detached it remains on your old unit and you remain on their establishment too.
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You claim HTD even though you use MT?
The view at Medmenham when the cessation of individual journey claims came in was that occasional use of MT was permitted. I used MT all the time, but I recall there were those who mixed and matched depending on the tasking. I think 17 journeys each mth was the requirement, on average, for a standing claim, if it dropped below that the advice was to claim for single journeys. It's interesting to note the different standards and requirements of proof required of us compared with our elected representatives - I can honestly say I've never put a travel claim in for any of my children!
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You are quite right - I really should RTFQ! I did use the Bus for the odd leaving do though (either to come home or pick up the car)! You only need 15car journeys a month to claim if my memory serves me right.
I hear you on the Deny Flight investigation front - I was also...
LJ
You are quite right - I really should RTFQ! I did use the Bus for the odd leaving do though (either to come home or pick up the car)! You only need 15car journeys a month to claim if my memory serves me right.
I hear you on the Deny Flight investigation front - I was also...
LJ
