Jaguar handling
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BluntM8,
Your jolly in an F3 would have been the trip of a lifetime - it was a single-seater!
Hey Wholigan,
Is the first letter of your christian name R ?
JP
Your jolly in an F3 would have been the trip of a lifetime - it was a single-seater!
Hey Wholigan,
Is the first letter of your christian name R ?
JP
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From: Bournemouth
Phanjagthunar,
"Just like they found the little buttons on the engine instrument panel that magically gave you a little more poke at the moment critique!"
Must admit I can't remember those, even with over 1800 hours on type!
Mind you, I've cracked 60 now and perhaps Newt is right in that the memory ain't quite what it used to be.
....and by the way 2-star, just where do you think you would be without your mother and QFIs.....?
Orrabest,
JP
"Just like they found the little buttons on the engine instrument panel that magically gave you a little more poke at the moment critique!"
Must admit I can't remember those, even with over 1800 hours on type!
Mind you, I've cracked 60 now and perhaps Newt is right in that the memory ain't quite what it used to be.
....and by the way 2-star, just where do you think you would be without your mother and QFIs.....?
Orrabest,
JP
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From: Lincolnshire, UK
Little Buttons
JP, you make my point! QFIs never knew about the things that really mattered! For example, one I knew was even confused about what constituted the bombing target at Nordhorn Range; so he opted to throw a 1000lb inert at the RSO!
I am pretty sure that I had 1800 hours on type by the time you joined the JF; and I certainly had a lot more by the time you left it! I also feel sure that the subject mod was in and out (though the button remained in place therefter) before you joined the JF too.
My mother taught me a lot more about flying than any QFI ever did!
Keep taking the Philosan!
I am pretty sure that I had 1800 hours on type by the time you joined the JF; and I certainly had a lot more by the time you left it! I also feel sure that the subject mod was in and out (though the button remained in place therefter) before you joined the JF too.
My mother taught me a lot more about flying than any QFI ever did!
Keep taking the Philosan!
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From: Bournemouth
Phanjagthunhar
You have not responded to my ten second PM rule and, after consultation with some personal friends on this site, you have been rumbled.
The only engine "switches" fitted to the Jaguar were PTR.
These were not on the "instrument panel", but I have forgotten where they were. Please tell me where they were.
If you had more Jaguar hours than me when I joined the force, then you would have had to acquire more than 600 hours per year. Has any Jaguar pilot achieved this? All Jaguar pilots please respond.
You have not responded to my ten second PM rule and, after consultation with some personal friends on this site, you have been rumbled.
The only engine "switches" fitted to the Jaguar were PTR.
These were not on the "instrument panel", but I have forgotten where they were. Please tell me where they were.
If you had more Jaguar hours than me when I joined the force, then you would have had to acquire more than 600 hours per year. Has any Jaguar pilot achieved this? All Jaguar pilots please respond.
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From: Sunny (or Rainy) Somerset, England
I've been frantically trying to think who I know who flew all 4 of Phantom, Jaguar, Hunter and Harrier. I know loads who flew 3 of those types and loads who flew 3 of those types plus one other but me poor old head's hurting with the effort of remembering that particular all-4-type flyer. Damn - age is a sod!! 
Help!!
Oh - by the way - it is true that unburned fuel comes out of the intakes and flows around the cockpit area if the Jag goes backwards!!! SV will verify that for me!
Help!!Oh - by the way - it is true that unburned fuel comes out of the intakes and flows around the cockpit area if the Jag goes backwards!!! SV will verify that for me!
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From: The Midlands
Jaguar Pilot,
The PTR switches are on the L/H cockpit rail, and I'm sure you will agree with me when I say that they gave you no more thrust, only allowed the thrust to be distributed a little more evenly over the speed range!!
Flipflopman
The PTR switches are on the L/H cockpit rail, and I'm sure you will agree with me when I say that they gave you no more thrust, only allowed the thrust to be distributed a little more evenly over the speed range!!
Flipflopman
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From: Lincs
Tsk Tsk
Methinks JP refers to the Max Rating switch which was, indeed, on the engine instrument panel and increased TGT by 25(?) deg.
VERY naive of the engineering fraternity to imagine that pilots would limit its use to take-off - simply because that's what the clearance was!!
Sadly, it was soon inhibited.
Methinks JP refers to the Max Rating switch which was, indeed, on the engine instrument panel and increased TGT by 25(?) deg.
VERY naive of the engineering fraternity to imagine that pilots would limit its use to take-off - simply because that's what the clearance was!!
Sadly, it was soon inhibited.
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From: North Pole
There is only one guy I know who has flown them all Wholigan!! I know who it is and I dont think JP has any idea who it is!! I also notice your name is not on the list for the Jaguar Farewell Weekend?? Will you be teaching straight and level 1 instead of having a few beers at Coningsby??
Once agin I retire to my bunker and await the banter!!
Once agin I retire to my bunker and await the banter!!
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From: Bournemouth
Hey Wholigan,
Fire and fuel come out of the Jaguar intakes even when you are forwards at 400KIAS. This ocurred S+L to me just before the pitch at Lossie.
Transpired that an HP blade had detached.
Still, the jet was fine on one engine - just stick to the rules.
Now then Phanjagthunha, just what were the PTR switches actually designed for?
JP
Fire and fuel come out of the Jaguar intakes even when you are forwards at 400KIAS. This ocurred S+L to me just before the pitch at Lossie.
Transpired that an HP blade had detached.
Still, the jet was fine on one engine - just stick to the rules.
Now then Phanjagthunha, just what were the PTR switches actually designed for?
JP
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Will you be teaching straight and level 1 instead of having a few beers at Coningsby??
However, sadly I'm having great problems manning St Mawgan for summer camp this year, so I'll have to be there instead of supping milk at Coningsby!
Hope you guys all have a great time and have several drinks for me.
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From: Bournemouth
Hay Newt , y'owl bugger.
I know that U kin speek inglish like lossapeeple on vissite.
Issa noo jag werld innit mates
innit awsumm
wannabeee airline piilott ???
lern too fly ferst
lern inglish B4 tryin 2 fly
fishinsfun innit
kuwd4ebb
I know that U kin speek inglish like lossapeeple on vissite.
Issa noo jag werld innit mates
innit awsumm
wannabeee airline piilott ???
lern too fly ferst
lern inglish B4 tryin 2 fly
fishinsfun innit
kuwd4ebb
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From: Lincolnshire, UK
JP!
The more you say, the more you make my point about knowing things that are important! Had I wanted to speak about PTR switches (and note that I specifically mentioned 'buttons'), I would have done so. Why is it that QFIs never listen?!
Capt Kirk kindly educates you later in the thread. Worryingly, he also remembers correctly the TGT increase; clearly, his powers of recollection are better than your 'I've forgotten where the PTR switches were' ones! How could you forget that, being a QFI and all?!
So, I humbly advance the argument that you and your 'personal friends' (are there any other types, and do you really have some?!) have rumbled no one! You will have to do better than that to catch me out; then again, t'was ever thus!
I notice, too, that you declined to commnet on QFIs dropping bombs! Perhaps you do not want to be rumbled!
Keep taking the tablets!
The more you say, the more you make my point about knowing things that are important! Had I wanted to speak about PTR switches (and note that I specifically mentioned 'buttons'), I would have done so. Why is it that QFIs never listen?!
Capt Kirk kindly educates you later in the thread. Worryingly, he also remembers correctly the TGT increase; clearly, his powers of recollection are better than your 'I've forgotten where the PTR switches were' ones! How could you forget that, being a QFI and all?!
So, I humbly advance the argument that you and your 'personal friends' (are there any other types, and do you really have some?!) have rumbled no one! You will have to do better than that to catch me out; then again, t'was ever thus!
I notice, too, that you declined to commnet on QFIs dropping bombs! Perhaps you do not want to be rumbled!
Keep taking the tablets!
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From: Lincolnshire, UK
Wholigan,
How the devil?!
You know me well! The only clue I offer at this point is that you are not considering the 't'!
OK, one more to help the grey matter! Where was the fixed cross above/below LFD?!! Ask Geoff Boycott!
Aye,
PJTH
How the devil?!
You know me well! The only clue I offer at this point is that you are not considering the 't'!
OK, one more to help the grey matter! Where was the fixed cross above/below LFD?!! Ask Geoff Boycott!
Aye,
PJTH
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JP:
"Now then Phanjagthunha, just what were the PTR switches actually designed for?"
Simple!! Something else for QFIs to bang on about in ground training when they ran out of 'watch the china alpha' blah! First question usually was: 'can someone tell me where the PTR switches are?' Oh, and for more instantaneous and linear thrust response in situations such as single engine flying and AAR; how much of the latter did you do in the pussy cat?
"Now then Phanjagthunha, just what were the PTR switches actually designed for?"
Simple!! Something else for QFIs to bang on about in ground training when they ran out of 'watch the china alpha' blah! First question usually was: 'can someone tell me where the PTR switches are?' Oh, and for more instantaneous and linear thrust response in situations such as single engine flying and AAR; how much of the latter did you do in the pussy cat?
Last edited by Phanjagthunhar; 18th June 2007 at 14:46.