Female C-130 pilot - The Sunday Times
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Well yet again the journos appear to have 'spun' a story from some probably well intentioned comments.
As far as I am concerned Caz is easily equal to many of her males contemporaries and is a good operator and officer. Some of the comments made on this thread actually bring the RAF into disrepute more, for their chauvenistic attitudes and childish bleatings. Grow up get a life.
As far as I am concerned Caz is easily equal to many of her males contemporaries and is a good operator and officer. Some of the comments made on this thread actually bring the RAF into disrepute more, for their chauvenistic attitudes and childish bleatings. Grow up get a life.
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I talk to journos, radio stations. etc. every day these days and every day on my way home I listen to the news to see if they transmit what I said and its almost never. Banter or serious, it rarely matters, journalistic licence still applies. That doesn't excuse members of the military/aviation fraternity being sexist.
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Housework was done ages ago after a full-time job, studying for ATPLs and caring for Aged Ps so that leaves me plenty of time!
What are you chaps doing eh?
Next!
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Whirls
What are you chaps doing eh?
Next!
Cheers
Whirls
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The collocation and co-location of male and female team members of mixed ranks is, and always will be, a problem to accommodation allocators everywhere.
OC's Admin et.c need to point a blind eye at such groups. Inflexibility on the part of senior execs has always been a frustration and is a damned good reason for mixed rank/sex crews being accommodated off-base. - Out of sight = Out of mind.
It's never a good idea to put one's head above the parapet with journo's though.
Next time you want to uuse it, it might not be attached to one's shoulders!
Just for now let's allow the Royal Scottish Army take the flack: - can't be pleasant snorting that amount of Icing Sugar!
(I believe that's powder sugar in Spamese?)
OC's Admin et.c need to point a blind eye at such groups. Inflexibility on the part of senior execs has always been a frustration and is a damned good reason for mixed rank/sex crews being accommodated off-base. - Out of sight = Out of mind.
It's never a good idea to put one's head above the parapet with journo's though.
Next time you want to uuse it, it might not be attached to one's shoulders!
Just for now let's allow the Royal Scottish Army take the flack: - can't be pleasant snorting that amount of Icing Sugar!
(I believe that's powder sugar in Spamese?)
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Pencil dropping aside, I reckon the article does what it was intended to do - give civilian readers a glamourised glimpse of life in Iraq with the RAF from a woman pilot's viewpoint. As to sharing tents with male crew members, in your old fashioned way the military try to keep men and women apart, but we civilians don't regard mixed accommodation as particularly shocking.
This quotation from an earlier post puzzles me though...
What minority exactly does she represent? Women were in the majority within the UK population last time I looked. Perhaps she's a black seventh day adventist, but the article doesn't mention race or religion. Flying aeroplanes is womens' work anyway - as all we 'ground crew' know perfectly well. 
This quotation from an earlier post puzzles me though...
...hell bent on parading population minorities...
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I had no idea what I wanted to fly, and my decision was based on location, location, location. I’m a southern girl at heart, so that ruled out Nimrods because they’re based in Scotland. That left Brize Norton, with its VC10s, TriStars and C-17s, or Lyneham, where the Hercules are based.
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I don't think that she actually said anything that controversial. So she carries a samsonite suitcase, sleeps where practical, doesn't like getting rocketed, and so on... So what? It sounds like an honest description of what she does during her job, and it's not especially different from anyone else's reflections. She doesn't say she likes the bad bits, she's not pretending to be tough or special, she's just talking about her job. Honesty is a rare thing to be read in the newspapers nowadays.
In retrospect ANYBODYS conversation can be picked apart, but remember that we are not all media trained - or practised (a bit like regular practise on the firing range - without it we tend to get worse).
Give her a break.
In retrospect ANYBODYS conversation can be picked apart, but remember that we are not all media trained - or practised (a bit like regular practise on the firing range - without it we tend to get worse).
Give her a break.
What minority exactly does she represent? Women were in the majority within the UK population last time I looked.
If the article is a reasonably accurate representation of what she said (but I trust this isn't the case), shame on her!
But if the journo has distorted her words to make harmless comments so inflammatory, where's the lawsuit?
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K1rb5,
Read my frikin post again. Some jobs are more important than others and that is fact. Is it only pilots who need sufficient rest to be totally effective at their job?...NO, but thats not the point I was making so to you too!
Read my frikin post again. Some jobs are more important than others and that is fact. Is it only pilots who need sufficient rest to be totally effective at their job?...NO, but thats not the point I was making so
to you too!
Gentleman Aviator
Did she not consider the (mostly southern based) SH Force ....... stroke of luck that ....
....... and no slight whatsoever on the number of fine SH operators whose jumpers are lumpier ..... if you can do the job I'm not too worried about your mix of chromosomes ......
....... and no slight whatsoever on the number of fine SH operators whose jumpers are lumpier ..... if you can do the job I'm not too worried about your mix of chromosomes ......
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Hang in there Caz ......
I would be proud to have you as my daughter ....
ps. My old Samsonite has done more miles than a C-130 will ever do in it's lifetime and it will see me out .... thats for sure !
I would be proud to have you as my daughter ....
ps. My old Samsonite has done more miles than a C-130 will ever do in it's lifetime and it will see me out .... thats for sure !
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No, Prop-Ed, some jobs are NOT more important than others. Without everybody equally pulling their weight, there wouldn't be any aircraft in the sky to crash, if she doesn't get her sleep.
Journo interpretation is now irrelevant as the story has been printed and the damage has been done, regardless of what she actually said. At the Unit I am at, a thread is currently running on the intranet regarding the article, and I've no doubt that there is something similar going on at other stns. Lesson needs to be learned by whoever 'vets' these stories.
The pencil comment is rude and arrogant whether taken out of context or not...and simply reinforces the 'us and them' attitude. Please don't try and justify it just because she's one of yours.
For the rest of you truckies, how many of you Bergen wearers are going to hang around for her while she drags her Samsonite across the bondu if, God forbid, something did happen (assuming that the FP boys are unable to get out as they are too busy picking up their pencils and doing something less stringent)?
Journo interpretation is now irrelevant as the story has been printed and the damage has been done, regardless of what she actually said. At the Unit I am at, a thread is currently running on the intranet regarding the article, and I've no doubt that there is something similar going on at other stns. Lesson needs to be learned by whoever 'vets' these stories.
The pencil comment is rude and arrogant whether taken out of context or not...and simply reinforces the 'us and them' attitude. Please don't try and justify it just because she's one of yours.
For the rest of you truckies, how many of you Bergen wearers are going to hang around for her while she drags her Samsonite across the bondu if, God forbid, something did happen (assuming that the FP boys are unable to get out as they are too busy picking up their pencils and doing something less stringent)?
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Barely restrained,
I am positively foaming you ill informed amoeba
"For the rest of you truckies, how many of you Bergen wearers are going to hang around for her while she drags her Samsonite across the bondu if, God forbid, something did happen (assuming that the FP boys are unable to get out as they are too busy picking up their pencils and doing something less stringent"
She like so many others uses her Samsonite exclusively to transport personal kit in and out of theater via BZN. Lots of us have purchased the US footlockers for the same purpose ie to stop the baggage crushers wrecking our kit!
Whilst flying she, like every other crew member carries her own "go kit" in bergan/belt format etc and is as prepared, if not more so than all her counterparts. I have flown with her and have ABSOLUTELY no reservations as to her capability and the contribution she brings to the crew.
Barely you are fully an arse, go read your bitter and twisted post again realise what a complete idiot you have made of yourself and apologise immediately
I am positively foaming you ill informed amoeba
"For the rest of you truckies, how many of you Bergen wearers are going to hang around for her while she drags her Samsonite across the bondu if, God forbid, something did happen (assuming that the FP boys are unable to get out as they are too busy picking up their pencils and doing something less stringent"
She like so many others uses her Samsonite exclusively to transport personal kit in and out of theater via BZN. Lots of us have purchased the US footlockers for the same purpose ie to stop the baggage crushers wrecking our kit!
Whilst flying she, like every other crew member carries her own "go kit" in bergan/belt format etc and is as prepared, if not more so than all her counterparts. I have flown with her and have ABSOLUTELY no reservations as to her capability and the contribution she brings to the crew.
Barely you are fully an arse, go read your bitter and twisted post again realise what a complete idiot you have made of yourself and apologise immediately