Continually failing RAF Fitness Test.
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Wasn't there a largish chap thrown off the premier tiger sqn for failing his fitness test twice?? Sounds harsh but fair to me as I know one of the boys that had to deploy at 5 days notice instead of afore-mentioned chap. Just a thought.
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I'd like to see them try to actually discharge a bloke for failing his fitness test - especially if he could comfortably manage the Female standard for his age group. I imagine the testimony at the ET would go something like this:
"But if I were a woman, you wouldn't be throwing me out right now, because I would have passed. You are effectively throwing me out because I am male, and that equates to Gender Discrimination.....etc etc"
I'm sure a competent lawyer could frame an argument better than I; hell, even a 10-bob-an-hour, no-win-no-fee junior solicitor would clean up on this one!
Get your chequebook out, Gordon - you're gonna need it...
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"But if I were a woman, you wouldn't be throwing me out right now, because I would have passed. You are effectively throwing me out because I am male, and that equates to Gender Discrimination.....etc etc"
I'm sure a competent lawyer could frame an argument better than I; hell, even a 10-bob-an-hour, no-win-no-fee junior solicitor would clean up on this one!
Get your chequebook out, Gordon - you're gonna need it...
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Does anyone know exactly what these guidelines are?
From memory, I think it would take around 18 months from first failing the test to being thrown out if given all the chances dictated in the guidlines.
it would be interesting to find out!
it would be interesting to find out!
As in 'reversing into the planned parking space'....
However, the laydeez can always blame men for causing confusion over accurate dimensional assessment - haven't FJ pilots for years been telling them that something measures 9 inches, when in reality it is only about 4?
However, the laydeez can always blame men for causing confusion over accurate dimensional assessment - haven't FJ pilots for years been telling them that something measures 9 inches, when in reality it is only about 4?
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personaly im in favor of kicking people out of the RAF if they fail there fitness test.
If you have had 18mnths to pass the test and still cannot.
Then either there is something medically wrong or you are a complete fook wit. Who is most prob a burden on your section and your unit.
there are standards there for a reason.
And to be honest if i a 94kg bloke with man boobs can pass im sure the rest can.
If you have had 18mnths to pass the test and still cannot.
Then either there is something medically wrong or you are a complete fook wit. Who is most prob a burden on your section and your unit.
there are standards there for a reason.
And to be honest if i a 94kg bloke with man boobs can pass im sure the rest can.
you wouldn't dare say that to her face.
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Ladies & gents, this is my first post so please take it easy on me.
Just to aid all those solicitors in fighting sex discrimination in the armed forces, here is a excerpt from the police federation of England and Wales publication regarding multi-stage fitness test:
FAQ No.1
Just to aid all those solicitors in fighting sex discrimination in the armed forces, here is a excerpt from the police federation of England and Wales publication regarding multi-stage fitness test:
FAQ No.1
"1. Why don't we just have a
lower pass mark for women?
lower pass mark for women?
A recruitment fitness test must test
for the physical ability to do the job.
Men and women don't undertake
different roles in the police, so they
should take the same tests. If there
was a lower standard for women,
and a male officer passed the test
at the “woman's level” but failed
to achieve the “man's level” he
would have failed simply because
of his sex. He would have a claim
of direct sex discrimination."
whole document is here
http://www.polfed.org/1104testing_times.pdf
Even the police force think it would be sex discrimination. Armed forces must be exempt, or legal action is on the cards for sure.
for the physical ability to do the job.
Men and women don't undertake
different roles in the police, so they
should take the same tests. If there
was a lower standard for women,
and a male officer passed the test
at the “woman's level” but failed
to achieve the “man's level” he
would have failed simply because
of his sex. He would have a claim
of direct sex discrimination."
whole document is here
http://www.polfed.org/1104testing_times.pdf
Even the police force think it would be sex discrimination. Armed forces must be exempt, or legal action is on the cards for sure.
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However, the laydeez can always blame men for causing confusion over accurate dimensional assessment - haven't FJ pilots for years been telling them that something measures 9 inches, when in reality it is only about 4?
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I believe that the pointy-jet people are also guilty of exaggerating time as well - eg three minutes becomes several hours
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If someone can't pass the bleep test then that is a disgrace. It only shows lack of training. Regardless of what sport you play, you can train for the bleep test and it takes little time to improve to the desired standard. CHIN UP.
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Mycase was straightforward... I had a spinal operation and when recatted was allowed to fly..go OOA etc but the specialist said I was not to do "stupid sh1t like running around collecting ticks for empire building PTI's" So for my last 8 years in the RAF, I didnt do tests but still did my job.. Permenently downgraded. So , all you fitness freaks,, downgraded does not mean unable to work..and the fitness nazis spent more time off sick than the beer monsters on my sqn.
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To answer the original Biggus post - the answer is yes - approx 5-6 have been discharge for their continued poor attitude to fitness. You cannot be discharged for failing your test, it is only a measure of your attitude towards it. Normally takes around 18 months and the individual would ordinarily have undergone 5 or 6 tests in that period.
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the answer is yes - approx 5-6 have been discharge for their continued poor attitude to fitness. You cannot be discharged for failing your test, it is only a measure of your attitude towards it.
does it actually say in writing anywhere that you cannot be discharged for failing your fitness test? only your attitude towards it?
What would happen if your attitude to fitness was 100% but was still failing the test?
im intrigued.
does it actually say in writing anywhere that you cannot be discharged for failing your fitness test? only your attitude towards it?
What would happen if your attitude to fitness was 100% but was still failing the test?
im intrigued.
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"does it actually say in writing anywhere that you cannot be discharged for failing your fitness test? only your attitude towards it?
What would happen if your attitude to fitness was 100% but was still failing the test?"
It doesn't actually say that you can't be discharged for failing your test (it doesn't need to). What it does say is that you can be discharged for poor attitude towards fitness, and that personnel with a good attitude towards fitness should not be penalised for failing.
In theory, if you have a good attitude to fitness, and exercise regularly it would be unlikely that you would fail the test, BUT the system does allow for discretion at the various points of the procedure. For instance, the Flt Cdr my see that Bloggs has improved his run score on his third failure, and even though it is still a fail may not take the appropriate third-fail action at that time, as he (Bloggs) would appear to be making an effort to pass the test (and therefore showing good attitude to it).
Eighteen months is the theoretical minimum time it could take. In reality, because of the above, plus probably some reluctance by LMs to take action, it will take much longer ("We'll just give him one more chance"!!).
MM
What would happen if your attitude to fitness was 100% but was still failing the test?"
It doesn't actually say that you can't be discharged for failing your test (it doesn't need to). What it does say is that you can be discharged for poor attitude towards fitness, and that personnel with a good attitude towards fitness should not be penalised for failing.
In theory, if you have a good attitude to fitness, and exercise regularly it would be unlikely that you would fail the test, BUT the system does allow for discretion at the various points of the procedure. For instance, the Flt Cdr my see that Bloggs has improved his run score on his third failure, and even though it is still a fail may not take the appropriate third-fail action at that time, as he (Bloggs) would appear to be making an effort to pass the test (and therefore showing good attitude to it).
Eighteen months is the theoretical minimum time it could take. In reality, because of the above, plus probably some reluctance by LMs to take action, it will take much longer ("We'll just give him one more chance"!!).
MM
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Real deal - it is based along the lines of not being allowed to order someone to do the test but only attend (a subtle difference apparently), it is up to the individual to actually do it, hence why you get given the opportunity to drop out at any time. So, you cannot be discharged for failing it becuase you cannot be ordered to do it - reading back it sounds complicated - will get the chapter and verse tomorrow.
MM you are spot on as well.
MM you are spot on as well.
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Personally I'm a big fan of giving people enough rope to hang themselves...
Obviously you need the administrative system to back you up and spine to initiate action against people, plus enough slack in the system to be able to allow them to attempt to get themselves sorted without it impacting on tasking and overburdening colleagues.
Obviously you need the administrative system to back you up and spine to initiate action against people, plus enough slack in the system to be able to allow them to attempt to get themselves sorted without it impacting on tasking and overburdening colleagues.