WINGS AND CS95 - Please help!

[Lima Juliet]

OK, so CAS can wear wings on his CS95(desert DPMs) and he is on the Air Force Board Standing Committee - who authorises what we can wear on our uniforms. Also the PM is fine with it as well.

Does that mean we can put our wings on CS95 now??

Seriously, anyone know how we get things changed in AP1398 on RAF Uniform. I'd like to get a few things off of my chest about aviator's insignia and attire to someone in charge.

PM me if you don't want to post.

[Fg Off Max Stout]

Personally, I'm not too sure why somebody would want to wear their wangs on their cabbage kit but I guess if CAS is doing it, that's all the top cover you need. There are times and places where you don't want to be drawing attention to the fact that you are driver, airframe. Need I say more?

Also the PM is fine with it as well.

The PM doesn't know the first thing about military dress regs and probably couldn't care less if CAS had appeared in a pink feather boa. Remember that on a recent occassion when the PM addressed the troops in the sandpit, his turnout was a bag of sh1te, looking like a double glazing rep having a lunchtime sharpener in the slug and lettuce. Great guy.

[PTT]

Point of DPM = to not be seen easily by the enemy.
Add big white set of wings at the top of the left lung.
Possible consequences:
1. Get mistaken for an albatros a long way away.
2. Require a rubber vest to breathe properly.

[airborne_artist]

WTF do you think cabbage kit is for? It's not a fashion statement designed to make you look attractive to the opposite/same sex (delete if/as/when appropriate).

It's designed to allow you to hide behind trees and rocks and become invisible to the enemy, so why the f ck do you want to draw attention to yourself?

Do you fancy having your toenails pulled off with pliers while your bolleaux are toasted over an open fire, so they can get videos of the brave driver, airframe, bubbling all up on Al Jazeera?

Frankly I'd suggest no badges of rank either, as that will be easily picked on too, but that would be going to far for the anally-retentive that make up the middle-management.

Suffice to say that in the hooligans we managed without rank badges (even the Ruperts) in the field, and no-one died

[Barely Restrained]

Errrrr, if they were caught, wouldn't the fact that the individual was fat, wheezy and talking incessantly about themselves give away the fact that they were RAF aircrew?!!! It may well be beneficial to wear wings and claim to be an AT driver, in which case you would likely be handed back to friendly forces in order to further disrupt the allies war effort.

[airborne_artist]

And in case you think the banter from fellow/former mil mates is too cruel, read what the farmstrip flyers dished out to one of their own when as a newly-minted PPL he asked about wearing epaulettes.

[Heywood Djablowme]

...also, what rank do you have to be before it's okay to wear an SD cap with CS95? With all due respect Sir you look daft.

[BellEndBob]

What's the matter, afraid you might have to rely on your personality to get you noticed/through a conversation?
Maybe the law should be changed to allow the wearing of flying suits and associated coloured badges even when you leave the RAF.



Chump

[Roadster280]

Originally Posted by Heywood Djablowme

...also, what rank do you have to be before it's okay to wear an SD cap with CS95? With all due respect Sir you look daft.

Seconded. In reverse, this is equivalent to wearing a "deputy dawg" ECW hat with No1s. Equally hilarious, though unlikely I fear.

[Melchett01]

Where are the MODs when you need them, as this really hasn't anything to do with military aviation, unless you start talking about flying coveralls.

Oh well go on then, in the most tenuous way I can think of linking it.

Seeing as we are all talking about dress regs whilst on det, can I ask why it is that we can't get desert flying suits here in JHC but there appear to be lots of them going begging for Air Stewards, movers etc on the AT fleet.

Oh and Sir, you do look a bit daft with that hat on in deserts. A mite Soviet I think is what first sprang to mind when I saw it.

There you go Ratty - happy now ?

[teeteringhead]

He also appears to be wearing a joint/combined service stable belt rather than an RAF one.

Joint appropriate for CDS, but surely not for CAS ...

...and of course I agree with Melch about desert grobags

[NightFlit]

It's designed to allow you to hide behind trees and rocks and become invisible to the enemy, so why the f ck do you want to draw attention to yourself?

Do pilots, on combat missions, therefore remove their name badges and Squadron Crests? Cos surely if they had to bail out and go covert over a war zone - a big flashy badge and yellow Squadron Crest would stick out like sore thumb.

[R 21]

Melchett01

money all spent on green grow bags by mistake and the fire proof DCC is on the streets so why need dessie flying suits ?

[228 OCU]

PoR!
The higher up you go the more you can get away with.

[Mr C Hinecap]

It first happened in 96-ish when a det co asked BZZ to send out a couple of sets of brevets to put on his DPM. Totally against regs (then) but who were we to argue? We packed them up, sent them and chuckled.

Since then, it seems to be the men on the ground who wear them. The boys (and girls) who do the work in the air don't seem to need them.

Still - only on a par with overweight sky-queens at BZZ wearing jumpers all summer so we knew they flew.

[Climebear]

Originally Posted by teeteringhead

He also appears to be wearing a joint/combined service stable belt rather than an RAF one.
Joint appropriate for CDS, but surely not for CAS ...
...and of course I agree with Melch about desert grobags

Not sure when the photo was taken and I can't count how many stripes there are on his shoulders. It does look as if he is wearing Air Mshl rank which would mean that he was CJO at the time.

Strange though, AAC can wear pilots' wings on CS95 etc and the great airborne warrior race (of all 3 services) can wear there wings but the RA(run by pilots)F have written a rule to say that they can't (and then they (the people responsible for the aformention rule) just ignore it anyway).

[Lima Juliet]

The "Jointery" belt will be from his time as CJO.

I actually think we should advertise who we are at work - it makes it easier to find a subject matter expert (those bloody WSO/WSOp wings are a nightmare; you don't whether your speaking to a Nav/Eng/AEO or ALM - quite a spectrum of different abilities, don't you think?). If I had my way there would be a badge or emblem to distinguish all personnel's profession - don't you think it would be useful?

On the subject of sanitising before missions, I've always thought it a little excessive. There you are, standing with your hands up because your Walther has jammed, next a smoking wreck with the biggest fin in NATO, trying to say in Farsi that you're "not aircrew honest Abdullah!". Having looked into the Somali Blackhawk shootdown, I wouldn't be surprised if the fact that the captured US mate was a pilot may well have saved his bacon. If he was a grunt he would not be worth looking after after and would probably be handed to the angry mob with Mr Machete.

Ratty, what a great idea about Trinny and Susannah. "What Not to Wear, Sir!". Having seen some of my Boss's detachment "Going out kit" they are ripe for the treatment.

I guess no-one has any helpful tips on how to get in touch with the "Uniform Police" then??

[Roland Pulfrew]

Originally Posted by Heywood Djablowme

...also, what rank do you have to be before it's okay to wear an SD cap with CS95? With all due respect Sir you look daft.

No. Sorry! When I went through IOT the briefing was "berets are for Regiment officers and airmen, no self respecting officer would wear one". Ergo SD hat and combats!!

[BEagle]

"Berets are only for rockapes, enlisted filth and French onion-sellers", I was told.

Seems about right. Same goes for cabbage kit.

And ALJs should be mandatory with blues - to make the point that one is not some ground-pounding penguin Untermensch, but a noble Brother Flyer!

[BellEndBob]

Leon, you are a prat.

So, grunts are not worth looking after? These are the same grunts who are fighting for their lives every day while HM RAF's 'finest' impress small children at Air Shows, say Happy Birthday to the Queen and play cops and robbers in OTA E.

I am just back from my 3rd stint and my respect to the SH and AAC guys. As for the 'Few', that is certainly true, did not see one in 3 months.

At least we all know Beagle is stuck firmly in the 70's, what is your excuse?