WINGS AND CS95 - Please help!
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Many guys who work in the joint environment want to know that you are aircrew if you have some kind of direct liason in which your expertise is important to them. Most people will apportion variable credibilty to advice depending on the person and their level of knowledge. It was put to me very succinctly in a conversation where some gentlemen said "How am I supposed to know who you are and what you do, you're just another blue-suiter to me!"
The Paras wear wings, and they are proud of it. The Marines wear daggers and the regiments (and now the RAF) wear flashes and are proud of it. Many air forces (RAAF, USAF etc..) have got badges to wear on blues, they are obviously proud too! Of course, there are times when wearing them would be foolish, like if you are prone to capture, but in general they are to be worn because it is who we are. The problem is the RAF is so fluffy-wuffy that the chaps without wings get terribly put-out when someone is around who is wearing a set. I make no apology for the fact they are a status symbol - it is part of our history.
We've worked our socks off to get our wings. Either get some yourself or stop whineing.
Rant over.
The Paras wear wings, and they are proud of it. The Marines wear daggers and the regiments (and now the RAF) wear flashes and are proud of it. Many air forces (RAAF, USAF etc..) have got badges to wear on blues, they are obviously proud too! Of course, there are times when wearing them would be foolish, like if you are prone to capture, but in general they are to be worn because it is who we are. The problem is the RAF is so fluffy-wuffy that the chaps without wings get terribly put-out when someone is around who is wearing a set. I make no apology for the fact they are a status symbol - it is part of our history.
We've worked our socks off to get our wings. Either get some yourself or stop whineing.
Rant over.
Originally Posted by Mud Clubber
We've worked our socks off to get our wings. Either get some yourself or stop whineing
Then again, how many tradespeople in the Avionic/Communications field would actually want to wear it on CS95's. I would bet that they would not constantly whinge about not being able to wear them either.
In 1943 the automatic pilot was invented, we still await the invention of the automatic groundcrew.
Hat & Coat at the ready
Many tradespeople in the Avionic/Communications field have worked their socks off to obtain their 'Sparky' badge, but are they allowed to emblazon it on their woolly pully, or their coveralls or CS95's, NO, but it is still a trade badge, just like the 1 or ½ winged aircrew trade badge.
If officers are commissioned into a branch, not a trade, then surely the Admin officers (those of the Admin Profession) should push to be allowed to wear Biro badges on their CS95's.
Maybe Gold Biros for those that pass the Accountancy course, Silver for those that produce SRO's and Bronze for the others.
And that would then enable the HR Admin staff to push to have a Pencil for their trade badge. 2B Pencils for those that pass the Accountancy course, HB for those that assist in the production of SRO's and crayons for the others.
Please also remember that NOT all pilots are commisioned, Teeny Weenies have NCO Pilots, so they are commisioned into nothing.
Yes, and each time I do, I always find AIRCREW whingeing about not being allowed to wear their flying suits for GROUND based DESK jobs, never mind not being allowed their wings (various) on their clothing etc.
I wonder how many aircrew wear their brevets on their pyjamas (Not including Harrier pilots or the Red Arrows, as this will be taken for granted )
They're only badges, get a life.
I am off back to Magrathea.
I wonder how many aircrew wear their brevets on their pyjamas (Not including Harrier pilots or the Red Arrows, as this will be taken for granted
)They're only badges, get a life.
I am off back to Magrathea.
Yet the funny thing is, when the tacky prep school pullover came in as a part of RAF uniform in the early '70s, the suggestion that one should wear one's flying badge on it was originally just a wind up from a bloke on 617....
Which some airship obviously took seriously.
The damn woolly pully has been worn with and without flying badge, with a stable belt on the outside, it's had crew neck, v-neck, back to crew neck; it's been worn with and with out a tie; shirt collar in and collar out.....
And it has always looked like the piece of $hit it really is.
The pre-'thunderbird' V-force/QRA(I) aircrew barathea battledress was always the best No. 2 uniform - and was NEVER worn with a $odding beret!
Which some airship obviously took seriously.
The damn woolly pully has been worn with and without flying badge, with a stable belt on the outside, it's had crew neck, v-neck, back to crew neck; it's been worn with and with out a tie; shirt collar in and collar out.....
And it has always looked like the piece of $hit it really is.
The pre-'thunderbird' V-force/QRA(I) aircrew barathea battledress was always the best No. 2 uniform - and was NEVER worn with a $odding beret!
I agree wholeheartedly about not wearing flying suits whilst on a ground tour.
Just seems to me you are rather bitter that you don't have a "badge" to sew onto your HHG to the G pyjamas.
Never mind eh.
Just seems to me you are rather bitter that you don't have a "badge" to sew onto your HHG to the G pyjamas.
Never mind eh.
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NO, but it is still a trade badge, just like the 1 or ½ winged aircrew trade badge.
Let me enlighten you, young man, being aircrew is not a trade it is a profession.
"Talking down to juniors" switch off.
3P
Let me enlighten you, young man, being aircrew is not a trade it is a profession.
"Talking down to juniors" switch off.
3P
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I'll stick to my SD hat, especially if it pi$$es people off. It's taken years to get it properly scruffy, I think it helped me get PAS
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Time old boy you need to update your banter, 'worked harder at school?' I used to get that from my boss until he discovered I had a 2:1 in a real subject as against his 3 in applied underwater basket-weaving!
So cheap jibes aside no problems with aircrew wearing wings as far as I see, only disappointed that us (ex) pondlife weren’t given subdued eagle flashes to separate us from the common army rabble, rather than the longest oblong badge ever to be sewn onto CS95. Easier identification saves on CSMs having heart attacks when confronted with any members of HM’s Flying Club.
‘When did you last have a haircut/shave?
Er, dunno, no water on the mountain for a month
‘When did you last clean your boots?’
Full of deso
‘Where’s your beret?’
Gave it to my boss, he’s lost his
‘Are your hands cold?’
Yes, it’s minus 2 and stores have no cw gloves
‘You’re RAF aren’t you?’
Yes
‘Oh, sorry, go on, f@@@ off’
RAF Mount Pleasant 1986
So cheap jibes aside no problems with aircrew wearing wings as far as I see, only disappointed that us (ex) pondlife weren’t given subdued eagle flashes to separate us from the common army rabble, rather than the longest oblong badge ever to be sewn onto CS95. Easier identification saves on CSMs having heart attacks when confronted with any members of HM’s Flying Club.
‘When did you last have a haircut/shave?
Er, dunno, no water on the mountain for a month
‘When did you last clean your boots?’
Full of deso
‘Where’s your beret?’
Gave it to my boss, he’s lost his
‘Are your hands cold?’
Yes, it’s minus 2 and stores have no cw gloves
‘You’re RAF aren’t you?’
Yes
‘Oh, sorry, go on, f@@@ off’
RAF Mount Pleasant 1986
Description of aircrew 'profession':
ALM Door Up, door down. cooker on, cooker off.
Pilot Gear Up, Gear down, Flaps up, flaps down
Flt Eng - Forget them as they are obsolescent.
Navigator - follow the pilot in front - (very difficult?)
I really am glad that I didnt do better at school.
You can train a monkey to ride a bike, but can he fix it?
ALM Door Up, door down. cooker on, cooker off.
Pilot Gear Up, Gear down, Flaps up, flaps down
Flt Eng - Forget them as they are obsolescent.
Navigator - follow the pilot in front - (very difficult?)
I really am glad that I didnt do better at school.
You can train a monkey to ride a bike, but can he fix it?