WSOP LDRs conference
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The way the RAF is going, you might soon need one of these:
http://www.mcdonalds.co.uk/resources...ation_form.pdf
http://www.mcdonalds.co.uk/resources...ation_form.pdf
An Army colleague has just sent me the latest email (sent to him by a RN officer - oh the joys of living in the Purple Bat Cave) - 25 reasons McDonalds is better than the RAF
1. Better uniform
2. More medals and you get them because you can do your job
3. Free food, properly cooked, without the added bland
4. Promotion on ability rather than incompetence
5. Employee of the month rather than ‘witch-hunt’ of the month
6. McDonalds is in the middle of the town not in the middle of nowhere
7. When children have tantrums you don’t end up with extra work
8. McDonalds don’t pretend they’re investing in people
9. Superior supply system
10. There is no requirement to salute Ronald McDonald
11. Sh***ing the manageress is not a crime
12. The ar*****es are in the burger not in charge
13. Only the customers are called "Sir"
14. A mcflurry is an ice cream not a panic during a post crash-management exercise
15. McDonalds has only one clown
16. Ronald McDonald dresses in a uniform appropriate to his role
17. You can switch to Burger King at a moments notice
18. The Mountsey Trophy is a toy in Happy Meals
19. Ronald McDonald smiles
20. Gate guard is waiting for the next drive-thru customer
21. There are no McDonalds outlets in the Falkland Isles, Iraq or Afghanistan (yet!)
22. There is no requirement to fill out the "Chicken McNugget" database
23. It doesn’t take 16 years to develop a new deep fat fryer
24. The rubbish goes in to the bin and not your in-tray
25. The only acronym you have to remember is BLT
2. More medals and you get them because you can do your job
3. Free food, properly cooked, without the added bland
4. Promotion on ability rather than incompetence
5. Employee of the month rather than ‘witch-hunt’ of the month
6. McDonalds is in the middle of the town not in the middle of nowhere
7. When children have tantrums you don’t end up with extra work
8. McDonalds don’t pretend they’re investing in people
9. Superior supply system
10. There is no requirement to salute Ronald McDonald
11. Sh***ing the manageress is not a crime
12. The ar*****es are in the burger not in charge
13. Only the customers are called "Sir"
14. A mcflurry is an ice cream not a panic during a post crash-management exercise
15. McDonalds has only one clown
16. Ronald McDonald dresses in a uniform appropriate to his role
17. You can switch to Burger King at a moments notice
18. The Mountsey Trophy is a toy in Happy Meals
19. Ronald McDonald smiles
20. Gate guard is waiting for the next drive-thru customer
21. There are no McDonalds outlets in the Falkland Isles, Iraq or Afghanistan (yet!)
22. There is no requirement to fill out the "Chicken McNugget" database
23. It doesn’t take 16 years to develop a new deep fat fryer
24. The rubbish goes in to the bin and not your in-tray
25. The only acronym you have to remember is BLT
The event was a big improvement on previous conferences. It displayed the potential to become a more active forum and affect a change to many of WSOp issues; more importantly, it did not degenerate into a winge session! It is my understanding that those who were not invited directly, this was an oversight; however, those who chose not to go, missed out on a very informative couple of days.
Subjects Covered:
Manning
Medical
Future Platforms
NCA Commissioning
Empowerment
Subjects Presented:
ASTOR
A400M
NCA LT
I am sure when the minutes are produced they will make for a very interesting read. Well done to all those who orchestrated the event.
Subjects Covered:
Manning
Medical
Future Platforms
NCA Commissioning
Empowerment
Subjects Presented:
ASTOR
A400M
NCA LT
I am sure when the minutes are produced they will make for a very interesting read. Well done to all those who orchestrated the event.
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Eng manning deficit/requirement @ ISK 
Eng surplus @ LYN (see above)
LMs to go on Eng OCU cse's planned at ISK and Waddo using SH Crewmen (I thought we were short of SH LMs too)
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PMA openly (MISS)using further service/PAS as a carrot/STICK to get Eng's to ISK, instead of the scheme simply retaining their experience/them past their exit point, as it was designed
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Eng surplus @ LYN (see above)
LMs to go on Eng OCU cse's planned at ISK and Waddo using SH Crewmen (I thought we were short of SH LMs too)
?PMA openly (MISS)using further service/PAS as a carrot/STICK to get Eng's to ISK, instead of the scheme simply retaining their experience/them past their exit point, as it was designed
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Loadies to go on Eng courses ?! you are joking right? They have had to trawl and take some Alm winchmen from Sar to cover shortfall in SH crewmen, SH is still short and really can't see them letting alm's come up to Kinloss or waddo to go on a very long course to try and train them.
Why did they ever stop the courses at Cranwell? it was obvious that the mk4 was going to be late and that we would be short of eng's, even stevie wonder could see that one coming!
Not being funny either but aren't eng's meant to have some engineering background? they have been recruiting only form the ranks of ex techies for a good reason, taking a Loadie even a good one is in my eyes a bit of a risk and a massive oversight.
Nothing new there then!
Why did they ever stop the courses at Cranwell? it was obvious that the mk4 was going to be late and that we would be short of eng's, even stevie wonder could see that one coming!
Not being funny either but aren't eng's meant to have some engineering background? they have been recruiting only form the ranks of ex techies for a good reason, taking a Loadie even a good one is in my eyes a bit of a risk and a massive oversight.
Nothing new there then!
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Yep,
OCU @Waddo has a QFI tasked to look at some sort of cse to take an SH LM into the 3rd seat (for this coming summer's cse?). I understand that the same has been said of ISK. Don't know about other fleets.
The SH bit was due to those LMs having experience of ac systems and doing AF/BFs etc however, I can't remember the last time an Eng did one of those or got his hands dirty anyway
Good luck to our LM brethren, perhaps more Eng's can go to SH and do a few crewman tours, where there are chances of promotion at least.
LMs filling Eng seats and vice versa, tis coming to a fleet near you, go figure
Ginge
OCU @Waddo has a QFI tasked to look at some sort of cse to take an SH LM into the 3rd seat (for this coming summer's cse?). I understand that the same has been said of ISK. Don't know about other fleets.
The SH bit was due to those LMs having experience of ac systems and doing AF/BFs etc however, I can't remember the last time an Eng did one of those or got his hands dirty anyway
Good luck to our LM brethren, perhaps more Eng's can go to SH and do a few crewman tours, where there are chances of promotion at least.
LMs filling Eng seats and vice versa, tis coming to a fleet near you, go figure
Ginge
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How many of the LYN contingent do you think are keen to up roots and head North ?
A N Other Eng was told of his imminent future in Scotland and has had to reluctantly NGR, I think others may feel the same way?
Ginge
A N Other Eng was told of his imminent future in Scotland and has had to reluctantly NGR, I think others may feel the same way?
Ginge
A N other Eng, from Cranwell recently found that despite all career aspirations to the contrary and many years of loyal service, he was impolitely told by the binnsworth "I tell you where to go and its ISK for you".
Knowing that this was indeed true (another example of "crisis management", but take the word "management" out of that statement) he promptly submitted his PVR.
Another one bites the dust.
Its a good job we can train more LOL. In fact I cannot stop laughing.
You aint seen me right. Keeping head down.
Knowing that this was indeed true (another example of "crisis management", but take the word "management" out of that statement) he promptly submitted his PVR.
Another one bites the dust.
Its a good job we can train more LOL. In fact I cannot stop laughing.
You aint seen me right. Keeping head down.
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Reluctantly NGR? Sorry but if you want to stay in the job, then you move where you are told, reluctantly or not. Yes, it can be difficult for your family etc but thats life in the mob. Ask any groundcrew. It's not like there are too many moves in the AE world and I am afraid in this day and age I have no sympathy for someone who takes umbridge at having to move to do their job just because they have not had to move before. That's life.
This is not a pop at anyone, particularly Eng's but it does seem strange when there are jobs available for people in the same trade but because it isn't 'where or what' I want to do then a 'lets get someone else to do it' attitude appears.
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Like it or not, along with the military going through changes, its personel are also going through changes. The majority of the A Eng cadre are not young free and single and willing to go wherever their lordships feel they need to send them. Many are older and married with children, who's wives have careers of their own. For them to move would without doubt cause them to loose out financialy, and have the added complication of having to uproot their children from school. This is a move many are not willing to undertake, and i for one can fully iunderstand their reasons. Put on top of that the fact that once in ISK you are more than likely going to spend at least a third of the year out of the country, leaving your wife and kids to fend for themselves, in the north of Scotland, most of whom will be a long way from the established support network, ie Familly and friends. With these options what are you likely to do, go or Pvr, i dont see their is much option.
As for the support you are likely to recieve when their, well a battle with DHE and the subsequent farce with claiming on JPA, no thanks.
Well at least they have a ready supply of A Eng's waiting to jump into the slots left by those who PVR when they get their posting notice!
As for the support you are likely to recieve when their, well a battle with DHE and the subsequent farce with claiming on JPA, no thanks.
Well at least they have a ready supply of A Eng's waiting to jump into the slots left by those who PVR when they get their posting notice!
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Absolutely agree, all very valid points which apply to ANY personnel not just Air Engs.
So therefore the same criteria applies. If there are volunteers, then fair enough but otherwise why should another branch cover the shortfall at their own expense?
LMs to go on Eng OCU cse's planned at ISK and Waddo using SH Crewmen (I thought we were short of SH LMs too) ?
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This is a situation that has to be handled with kid gloves, ortherwise it could escalate, as more people decide enough is enough.
Well I have heard it all now..........To the guys at Lynhamfield you only have your jobs to lose, start letting other trades in and you will have nothing left at all, I know of many of the AEops that flew with me n the Nimrod that would have made excellent Eng's and when I was working out in Oman with the Omani Air Force the ALM section was where we recruited our Eng's from, it can be done and with the attitude of I will PVR if you send me there it will be sooner rather than later..........I was posted to ISK after my training, I was kicking and screaming all the way but once there I loved it, give it a try guys its not that bad a place to live.........Long times away maybe but if you look at it how many days are you away on the Herc, add it all up you will be surprised.
Blackmail is not the way to go guys, just think about what you are doing, it may hurt you more than you think!!!!!
Blackmail is not the way to go guys, just think about what you are doing, it may hurt you more than you think!!!!!
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Originally posted by The Wizard...
So therefore the same criteria applies. If there are volunteers, then fair enough but otherwise why should another branch cover the shortfall at their own expense?
I thought we were all the same now, WSOps ?
Ginge
So therefore the same criteria applies. If there are volunteers, then fair enough but otherwise why should another branch cover the shortfall at their own expense?
I thought we were all the same now, WSOps ?
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Yep,
OCU @Waddo has a QFI tasked to look at some sort of cse to take an SH LM into the 3rd seat (for this coming summer's cse?). I understand that the same has been said of ISK. Don't know about other fleets.
The SH bit was due to those LMs having experience of ac systems and doing AF/BFs etc however, I can't remember the last time an Eng did one of those or got his hands dirty anyway
Good luck to our LM brethren, perhaps more Eng's can go to SH and do a few crewman tours, where there are chances of promotion at least.
LMs filling Eng seats and vice versa, tis coming to a fleet near you, go figure
Ginge
OCU @Waddo has a QFI tasked to look at some sort of cse to take an SH LM into the 3rd seat (for this coming summer's cse?). I understand that the same has been said of ISK. Don't know about other fleets.
The SH bit was due to those LMs having experience of ac systems and doing AF/BFs etc however, I can't remember the last time an Eng did one of those or got his hands dirty anyway
Good luck to our LM brethren, perhaps more Eng's can go to SH and do a few crewman tours, where there are chances of promotion at least.
LMs filling Eng seats and vice versa, tis coming to a fleet near you, go figure
Ginge
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If they are good enough to pass the course and they want to do the job why shouldn't they. The Canadians use the crewman to Eng route and it seams to work. I don't know why everyone is so scared about going to ISK; I really enjoyed my time there and would still be there if it was not for medical reasons. It is certainly better than AT, try two days a week at home, if your lucky, week in week out, for the past 8 months. It soon becomes very tiring. The problem is that the K eng's have been sat on their backsides doing very little when not on det and enjoying the comfy lifestyle. Time to help the rest of us out guys.
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. Commuting to anywhere in england from ISK is impossible. Anyone who puts any job before the welfare and educational needs of their loved ones needs their head read. I was assured by Innsworth that there are no E-3 OCU slots, so the LM to E-3 in one easy step is a sick joke. (or PMA being economical with the truth?).