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So have I got this right? Red poppies are worn out of respect for those who were killed or maimed fighting to maintain the rights of freedom of speech and thought, and anyone who thinks otherwise should have their lights punched out?
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Just found this:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/6133312.stm
Nothing to do with the glorification of war, all to do with supporting the survivors and their families - Just like we always knew it was!!
The PPU (white poppy group) sell theirs to gather funds to support themselves. Fair enough (free speech etc) but their intervention with Red poppy's implies and is intended to that it is an alternative method of donating your hard earned for teh same reason which it definitely IS NOT!
Dont be fooled.
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Xraf
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/6133312.stm
Nothing to do with the glorification of war, all to do with supporting the survivors and their families - Just like we always knew it was!!
The PPU (white poppy group) sell theirs to gather funds to support themselves. Fair enough (free speech etc) but their intervention with Red poppy's implies and is intended to that it is an alternative method of donating your hard earned for teh same reason which it definitely IS NOT!
Dont be fooled.
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Xraf
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Does wearing a white poppy mean the same as wearing a white feather then?
PS. prOOne I wish you could have met my Dad. He would have met you outside and explained what he spent six years fighting for!
PS. prOOne I wish you could have met my Dad. He would have met you outside and explained what he spent six years fighting for!
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Ah well, that's the thing about the internet; for all we know he could be a blonde mother-of-two!
White or red the white poppy gives the impression of purity the red was supposed to represent the loss of blood from the fallen.
The flowers do indeed grow and did in flanders and are extremely delicate too so show how life can be whiped out in a second, was another reason I was lead to believe they became the symbol of Remebrance.
PS. prOOne I wish you could have met my Dad. He would have met you outside and explained what he spent six years fighting for!
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Saw this post elsewhere.....thought it will bring this back on track, i dont agree the white poppy should be used on armistice day.......by all means use it later in the year for national peace day or somethin....
Service personnel They’re not the Rambo-Commando-G.I. Joes that we see on TV.
Service personnel are human beings who have a very difficult job. There will be no political rant in this editorial. You will see only respect from me today.
Service personnel put aside their personal beliefs and focus on the task that they have been assigned.
Service personnel are loyal to their comrades, commanders and country.
Service personnel put their lives and sanity on the line in order to complete the tasks that they have been assigned.
Service personnel know that their next assignment may mean their death, yet they still get out of bed each morning and do their duty.
Regardless of how we feel about the tasks that they have been assigned,
Service personnel need to know that we appreciate the sacrifices that they make.
There are two ways that we can show our thanks. One is to confront them and tell them that our thoughts are with them. The other is to be silent and reflect. On the eleventh minute of the eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month, we shut our pie holes for two minutes to reflect on the sacrifices that they have made for us. We sympathize with the families who have lost loved one defending our ideals. We share the pain of those who watched their comrades die in their arms.
We may not always agree with the mission, but we have to agree on one thing: that these men and women deserve our respect. They have a difficult job to do. Sometimes it’s too much even for them. Let’s never forget the people who defend us, the people who do our governments’ dirty work while our politicians and citizens sit in comfort.
Let me leave you with a poem by Lieutenant John McCrae, a Canadian combat physician who wrote of the hell that he witnessed at the Battle of Ypres.
In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.
We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved, and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders fields.
Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.
Service personnel They’re not the Rambo-Commando-G.I. Joes that we see on TV.
Service personnel are human beings who have a very difficult job. There will be no political rant in this editorial. You will see only respect from me today.
Service personnel put aside their personal beliefs and focus on the task that they have been assigned.
Service personnel are loyal to their comrades, commanders and country.
Service personnel put their lives and sanity on the line in order to complete the tasks that they have been assigned.
Service personnel know that their next assignment may mean their death, yet they still get out of bed each morning and do their duty.
Regardless of how we feel about the tasks that they have been assigned,
Service personnel need to know that we appreciate the sacrifices that they make.
There are two ways that we can show our thanks. One is to confront them and tell them that our thoughts are with them. The other is to be silent and reflect. On the eleventh minute of the eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month, we shut our pie holes for two minutes to reflect on the sacrifices that they have made for us. We sympathize with the families who have lost loved one defending our ideals. We share the pain of those who watched their comrades die in their arms.
We may not always agree with the mission, but we have to agree on one thing: that these men and women deserve our respect. They have a difficult job to do. Sometimes it’s too much even for them. Let’s never forget the people who defend us, the people who do our governments’ dirty work while our politicians and citizens sit in comfort.
Let me leave you with a poem by Lieutenant John McCrae, a Canadian combat physician who wrote of the hell that he witnessed at the Battle of Ypres.
In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.
We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved, and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders fields.
Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.
The right to a dissenting view
An interesting letter in the local paper:
http://www.gazetteandherald.co.uk/ne...ance_farce.php
After making my blood boil, I consoled myself with the thought that everybodies sacrifice ensures that the correspondent is free to air his views.
http://www.gazetteandherald.co.uk/ne...ance_farce.php
After making my blood boil, I consoled myself with the thought that everybodies sacrifice ensures that the correspondent is free to air his views.
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Along with these, perhaps :
The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing. (Einstein)
and my last words on the subject, which are Orwell's :
We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm.
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A Bit off topic, but:
If you are current service, do you wear medals at civilian Remembrance Services? Honestly, it's so long since I've attended one, I can't remember.
Honest and accurate replies please!
Oh, I'll be wearing a Red Poppy.... is that OK?
Advo
If you are current service, do you wear medals at civilian Remembrance Services? Honestly, it's so long since I've attended one, I can't remember.
Honest and accurate replies please!
Oh, I'll be wearing a Red Poppy.... is that OK?
Advo
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Received a film clip some days ago from the US where some group of anti war protesters attend the funerals of lads and lasses killed in ops and cheer the fact that the individual met the fate that he/she did. The gratifying part was that also in attendance where ever the protesters turn up is a group of literally hundreds of Harley bikers who not only ride in the procession but at the grave side encircle the gathering and stand to attention with an upraised US flag so forming an effective 15 foot high barrier. Guess they cant stop the noise of chanting etc tho.
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As you will remember from 40 years or so ago BA this is the problem with these bottom feeders - their grip on reality is so tenuous they cannot differentiate between those who, regardless of personal beliefs, answer the call and those that made the political decisions to commit in the first place. This is why they are lesser beings than the rest of us.
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"eagle 86 C'mon g00ne you must have something to say - or as I thought - no courage!!"
Said all I want to say thanks, calling me names or questioning my credibility or courage is not going to change my mind or my opinions of the ethics of the First World War.
I didn't say anywhere that I oppose the Red Poppy or that I am a pacifist, and for all those who are getting all excited about the Second World War, read what I said about it, I wear a Red Poppy principally for those who SERVED and died in WW2, a genuine fight for freedom.
Brian Abraham,
Your post both raises my hackles and gladdens me, while I thoroughly dissaprove of the war in Iraq, to treat the family of anyone killed in that conflict in such a manner is appalling, never thought I'd be proud of a bunch of Hells Angels!
Said all I want to say thanks, calling me names or questioning my credibility or courage is not going to change my mind or my opinions of the ethics of the First World War.
I didn't say anywhere that I oppose the Red Poppy or that I am a pacifist, and for all those who are getting all excited about the Second World War, read what I said about it, I wear a Red Poppy principally for those who SERVED and died in WW2, a genuine fight for freedom.
Brian Abraham,
Your post both raises my hackles and gladdens me, while I thoroughly dissaprove of the war in Iraq, to treat the family of anyone killed in that conflict in such a manner is appalling, never thought I'd be proud of a bunch of Hells Angels!
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I'm finding this a quite unusual thread.
The only poppy worthy of being worn is red in my view. I can see no justification for a white one, despite all the arguments put; but in the interest of freedom, not least of speech, I suppose I'm prepared to tolerate it at arm's length on a live and let live basis. That doesn't mean anyone who wears one has my respect. Indeed they do not.
That said, there is perhaps just one instance - and I do mean perhaps, for I am not completely convinced - where someone might wear a white poppy and we should hold them in the same regard and respect as those of us who have and do Serve and wear red ones.
The one instance is where someone concientiously objected to bearing arms but took all the same risks as those who do or did, by enlisting to Serve as doctors, nurses, stretcher bearers, padres and the like and did not flinch from front line operational service when called to it. They are as deserving of our remembrance and respect as any who bore arms: they took the same risks.
This leaves the category of those concientious objectors who simply refuse to do anything to support their fellow contrymen. They are cowards and to be derided, ignored and forgotten at the first opportunity.
My first and last post on this thread - that is to say, my views won't change so you can like them or lump them.
The only poppy worthy of being worn is red in my view. I can see no justification for a white one, despite all the arguments put; but in the interest of freedom, not least of speech, I suppose I'm prepared to tolerate it at arm's length on a live and let live basis. That doesn't mean anyone who wears one has my respect. Indeed they do not.
That said, there is perhaps just one instance - and I do mean perhaps, for I am not completely convinced - where someone might wear a white poppy and we should hold them in the same regard and respect as those of us who have and do Serve and wear red ones.
The one instance is where someone concientiously objected to bearing arms but took all the same risks as those who do or did, by enlisting to Serve as doctors, nurses, stretcher bearers, padres and the like and did not flinch from front line operational service when called to it. They are as deserving of our remembrance and respect as any who bore arms: they took the same risks.
This leaves the category of those concientious objectors who simply refuse to do anything to support their fellow contrymen. They are cowards and to be derided, ignored and forgotten at the first opportunity.
My first and last post on this thread - that is to say, my views won't change so you can like them or lump them.
A bit late, but: yes you do. I remember being instructed to be the SWO at my first unit and have done ever since, but to be on the safe side just checked AP1358. I would copy the relevant section across, but it's in a table and they never seem to come out right on here...
