Islander queries - not THOSE Islanders
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AEW Defender
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Who was the AEW Islander/Defender aimed at? Did anyone here have anything to do with its shipboard trials (I've only seen a photo of it on the boat and know no details)?
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Thorn EMI asked me to fly a trial for them on G-TEMI in 1988 when they were developing the ASTOR but also had an interest in AEW. It was the prototype AEW Defender with the Skymaster AEW radar fit, as developed from the Searchwater.
It would be inappropriate to go into all the details of what I can remember but I advised the aircraft could find a sensible AEW market in the Middle East and perhaps Africa where population densities were low compared to UK and Europe. It could still, in all probability.
I believe the system was in effect, although it wasn't on the plot at the time, an early prototype for the Sea King Whisky (now ASaCS) upgrade that took place in the 90s.
Who was the AEW Islander/Defender aimed at? Did anyone here have anything to do with its shipboard trials (I've only seen a photo of it on the boat and know no details)?
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Thorn EMI asked me to fly a trial for them on G-TEMI in 1988 when they were developing the ASTOR but also had an interest in AEW. It was the prototype AEW Defender with the Skymaster AEW radar fit, as developed from the Searchwater.
It would be inappropriate to go into all the details of what I can remember but I advised the aircraft could find a sensible AEW market in the Middle East and perhaps Africa where population densities were low compared to UK and Europe. It could still, in all probability.
I believe the system was in effect, although it wasn't on the plot at the time, an early prototype for the Sea King Whisky (now ASaCS) upgrade that took place in the 90s.
To answer this original question of the thread, I think it was to allow service pilots without a CPL to fly them legally. I knew a Dominie pilot who flew G-WOTG on that basis.
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Beagle wrote:
Holding a professional pilot's license doesn't mean you can fly an aeroplane well, only that you are permitted to earn money by doing so. ISTR the cause of the Optica incident was put down to slow speed performance and handling, or lack of..
I know lots of 'professional' pilots who find hand-flying an aeroplane a bit of a challenge
Give 'em an autopilot and a copy of the Times and they are happy!
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That would explain the AAC Islander parked up all weekend at Islay then....? A Great way to ship the single malt back to base
The cause was never fully established. However, comment was expressed at the fact that neither occupant held a professional pilot's licence.
Holding a professional pilot's license doesn't mean you can fly an aeroplane well, only that you are permitted to earn money by doing so. ISTR the cause of the Optica incident was put down to slow speed performance and handling, or lack of..
I know lots of 'professional' pilots who find hand-flying an aeroplane a bit of a challenge
Give 'em an autopilot and a copy of the Times and they are happy!NaughtyMonkey Wrote:
And I thought the AAC islander was only there so those AAC chappies could pop back to Scotland for the weekend to see their girlfriends!!!
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http://www.spyflight.co.uk/sentinel.htm
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When I did my sports parachute course both civillian and military Islanders were used and flown by a civilian. Im sure the dual registration is for licencing etc as mentioned before.
It was standard practive for the pilot to get as close to the ambulance on landings. He got very close at one point, the problem if he hit there was no one left to treat the vicitms.
It was standard practive for the pilot to get as close to the ambulance on landings. He got very close at one point, the problem if he hit there was no one left to treat the vicitms.
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When I did my sports parachute course both civillian and military Islanders were used and flown by a civilian. Im sure the dual registration is for licencing etc as mentioned before.
It was standard practive for the pilot to get as close to the ambulance on landings. He got very close at one point, the problem if he hit there was no one left to treat the vicitms.
It was standard practive for the pilot to get as close to the ambulance on landings. He got very close at one point, the problem if he hit there was no one left to treat the vicitms.
Anyone know if the Skyvan that Hunting use/used for Para Training has a dual reg?
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Answers
Yes
No
Maybe
No
No
It crashed after fuel problems
The pilot fell asleep
It went to Aldergrove, yes, but was damaged when it fell out of the sky when the pilot was trying to do Bob Hoover style stunts.
No
Maybe
No
No
It crashed after fuel problems
The pilot fell asleep
It went to Aldergrove, yes, but was damaged when it fell out of the sky when the pilot was trying to do Bob Hoover style stunts.
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Took off many times in G-DIVE & G-WOTG. Didn't log many landings in them though. Just as a quick update G-DIVE was sold and has since been written off in a fatal assymetric crash in Spain. Not being used as a meat bomber at the time. G-WOTG has also been sold and I believe is being used as an air taxi somewhere around the Adriatic.
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Islander queries.
Jackonicko
The AEW nose was made rounded to improve the handling. I hear that flapless approaches and icing conditions are best avoided.
The Broughton incident. My view is that the sim feather power setting used at the time started the snowball rolling. With power lever idle and condition (prop) lever at the "Low RPM" gate, just before fuel off feather...........
Had the instructor feathered the accidentally shutdown engine instead of attempting a restart, they might have been lucky and cleared the Broughton ridge.
The alternative method, prop at Max and 120 lbft of torque is much less likely to result in cock up.
I should know, whilst examining a test pilot for his LPC/IR I was persuaded (at the start of the trip) to use the first method. All went well until the final landing when I feathered the engine downwind instead of setting sim feather.
He was unruffled by my incompetance, landed on the one engine and even suggested restarting the engine on the landing roll so that no-one need know. He passed.
Had we been at 200 feet after takeoff with the Broughton ridge upwind...............
Is the Defender good? Debatable. However is is cheaper than the alternatives.
Fatty
The AEW nose was made rounded to improve the handling. I hear that flapless approaches and icing conditions are best avoided.
The Broughton incident. My view is that the sim feather power setting used at the time started the snowball rolling. With power lever idle and condition (prop) lever at the "Low RPM" gate, just before fuel off feather...........
Had the instructor feathered the accidentally shutdown engine instead of attempting a restart, they might have been lucky and cleared the Broughton ridge.
The alternative method, prop at Max and 120 lbft of torque is much less likely to result in cock up.
I should know, whilst examining a test pilot for his LPC/IR I was persuaded (at the start of the trip) to use the first method. All went well until the final landing when I feathered the engine downwind instead of setting sim feather.
He was unruffled by my incompetance, landed on the one engine and even suggested restarting the engine on the landing roll so that no-one need know. He passed.
Had we been at 200 feet after takeoff with the Broughton ridge upwind...............
Is the Defender good? Debatable. However is is cheaper than the alternatives.
Fatty
