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you will find that most civil airlines will not employ
ex RAF loadmasters as it tends to be the movers that do the loading of the miltary aircraft also they tend to be full of there own self importance
also you will not find many airlines that will provide a loadmaster course
ex RAF loadmasters as it tends to be the movers that do the loading of the miltary aircraft also they tend to be full of there own self importance
also you will not find many airlines that will provide a loadmaster course
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Why on earth would an airline run a freelance Loadmaster course? Get yourself employed an then express a wish to get involved.
We at Cargolux have often been asked to run such courses - good money too. We always say "NO!". There is no way that we'd share our little tricks & hard learned experience with another airline. Why would we shoot ourselves in the foot for a few Dollars?
If you would get a job with us, I'd willingly give you 17 years of B747F experience. Some of my colleagues have double that. We however wouldn't sell it for anything...
I suspect other ailrines are similar in their thinking.
We at Cargolux have often been asked to run such courses - good money too. We always say "NO!". There is no way that we'd share our little tricks & hard learned experience with another airline. Why would we shoot ourselves in the foot for a few Dollars?
If you would get a job with us, I'd willingly give you 17 years of B747F experience. Some of my colleagues have double that. We however wouldn't sell it for anything...
I suspect other ailrines are similar in their thinking.
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"you will find that most civil airlines will not employ ex RAF loadmasters as it tends to be the movers that do the loading of the miltary aircraft also they tend to be full of there own self importance"
The only reason, correction, one reason the RAF employ Loadmasters is as part of a constituted crew for the A/C type they fly on, to perform in flight dities and assist with in flight emergancies iaw Flight Referance Cards.....the other reason is that, in general RAF Movers could'nt load a bag of spuds without either putting the bag in the wrong place, crushing it or simply driving the forklift used to load it into the airframe yadda yadda.........so guess our self importance is fairly justified
all spelling mistakes are "df" alcohol induced
The only reason, correction, one reason the RAF employ Loadmasters is as part of a constituted crew for the A/C type they fly on, to perform in flight dities and assist with in flight emergancies iaw Flight Referance Cards.....the other reason is that, in general RAF Movers could'nt load a bag of spuds without either putting the bag in the wrong place, crushing it or simply driving the forklift used to load it into the airframe yadda yadda.........so guess our self importance is fairly justified
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Well spoken up Wilts.
BTW..........wasn't it on this very Forum that the Movers v Loadies Thread was conceived a couple of years ago. That was fun was it not. .
BTW..........wasn't it on this very Forum that the Movers v Loadies Thread was conceived a couple of years ago. That was fun was it not. .
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Well sorry to burst your bubble but the ex crab air loadies that we employed at Channex couldnt cope with the fact that they didnt get days to load plan an aircraft or that they had to join in with the actual loading of the freight.
Maybe we just got a couple of bad 'uns but they were bad!
Guess the best loadies come straight in with no former training and were trained from scratch by civilian loadies that knew what they were on about from experience!
Last crab air loadie I saw was dangling out the back of a herc posing but had a right sense of humour failure when we showed him the end of his safety strap in our hands! Dont throw horror bags at squaddies!!!!
Maybe we just got a couple of bad 'uns but they were bad!
Guess the best loadies come straight in with no former training and were trained from scratch by civilian loadies that knew what they were on about from experience!
Last crab air loadie I saw was dangling out the back of a herc posing but had a right sense of humour failure when we showed him the end of his safety strap in our hands! Dont throw horror bags at squaddies!!!!
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Shuperstar.
Do civvy Loadmasters have to abide by CAA Crew duty hours?
Do they always fly with the load?
Do they have to do the IATA Carriage Of Dangerous Goods By Air course?
Who regulates them within the company?
Do they earn flight pay like the pilots?
Sorry one more question. How much on average does a civvy loady earn?
Sorry for all the questions. Just interested. I am thinking of joing the RAF as a Movements operator amongst other things and I am looking at what I could do when I leave. Nothing like planning ahead
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Do civvy Loadmasters have to abide by CAA Crew duty hours?
Do they always fly with the load?
Do they have to do the IATA Carriage Of Dangerous Goods By Air course?
Who regulates them within the company?
Do they earn flight pay like the pilots?
Sorry one more question. How much on average does a civvy loady earn?
Sorry for all the questions. Just interested. I am thinking of joing the RAF as a Movements operator amongst other things and I am looking at what I could do when I leave. Nothing like planning ahead
Thankyou.
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Well I have been doing some digging about and it would appear they get from £35000 to £54500 per year. Can that be right? Why would you want to get involved in actually loading the aeroplane? Surely thats a manual job for the lower ranks.
I have looked into becoming a WSop this week, but it would appear there are no guarantees that you could go straight to Loadmaster. Its something to consider though as the Civvy Loadmasters have to do all the work it would appear.
Anybody any thoughts on that? What do you do dyson hoover man? Are you a manual worker loading aeroplanes? What do you do Echo 5?
I have looked into becoming a WSop this week, but it would appear there are no guarantees that you could go straight to Loadmaster. Its something to consider though as the Civvy Loadmasters have to do all the work it would appear.
Anybody any thoughts on that? What do you do dyson hoover man? Are you a manual worker loading aeroplanes? What do you do Echo 5?
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As far as I recall there was no more than a bit of mild banter going on. A short post explaining why two of the posts from ABIW and myself were deleted would have been no more than a common courtesy.
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Oh What's going on here? What have I missed? Was ABIW using his earnings as a comfort blanket again?
Oodles of Civilian Loadmasters are ex-Movements Tradesmen. Why because they know how to load the aircraft and get it back off and moreso how to do it when the item is a 9ton bag of crap and all you have is a broken sack truck! I spent years in the RAF trying to load freight which was correctly prepared in acc/w IATA regs, RAF regs et al and still the RAF Loadie was attemting to ditch on a whim! They never understand that payload is profit!
Mind you they are good at Catering and have a wealth of experience on cheesecakes... No, with the one exception of a really nice guy ex-LM now on 124s I wouldn't give them the time of day. lb for £ a Mover is better... Oh and he earned his rank!
Oodles of Civilian Loadmasters are ex-Movements Tradesmen. Why because they know how to load the aircraft and get it back off and moreso how to do it when the item is a 9ton bag of crap and all you have is a broken sack truck! I spent years in the RAF trying to load freight which was correctly prepared in acc/w IATA regs, RAF regs et al and still the RAF Loadie was attemting to ditch on a whim! They never understand that payload is profit!
Mind you they are good at Catering and have a wealth of experience on cheesecakes... No, with the one exception of a really nice guy ex-LM now on 124s I wouldn't give them the time of day. lb for £ a Mover is better... Oh and he earned his rank!
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I responded to one of ABIW's " I earn £49k posts " to which he may or may not have replied. Someone however has taken offence and blitzed at least two posts.
I responded to one of ABIW's " I earn £49k posts " to which he may or may not have replied. Someone however has taken offence and blitzed at least two posts.
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RAF Loadies have everything done for them by other agencies :
1. Loading - Movers
2. Role fit - Role eqpt
3. Para - PJI's
4. Ariel Drop - 47 AD
The only thing he has to do is turn up 1.5 hrs before chox, countersign the trim, have a quick look at the load, and most importantly " put the kettle on "
Blakey, got to agree with you PS is a cut above the others.
1. Loading - Movers
2. Role fit - Role eqpt
3. Para - PJI's
4. Ariel Drop - 47 AD
The only thing he has to do is turn up 1.5 hrs before chox, countersign the trim, have a quick look at the load, and most importantly " put the kettle on "
Blakey, got to agree with you PS is a cut above the others.
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Hello again. You never said what you do echo 5 nor you dionysuisusisus. Do the RAF Loadmasters do any civillian accredited courses? Like Dangerous air cargo courses or are they trained in house? What traing do Movements operators recieve on dangerous goods, and by whom? Would it be better to put movers as loadmasters on RAF aircraft if they load it and do the paperwork? Were you an ALM Blakey? Thankyou
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You never said what you do echo 5...... Well, I sit on the fence and annoy my mate ABIW
Do the RAF Loadmasters do any civillian accredited courses? Like Dangerous air cargo courses or are they trained in house?...... ABIW may well answer that when he gets back from Norway tonight.
What traing do Movements operators recieve on dangerous goods, and by whom?.....They are trained In House I believe at their very own training school. But I could be wrong.
Would it be better to put movers as loadmasters on RAF aircraft if they load it and do the paperwork?..............Oh dear. I don't think we want to open up that can of worms.
Were you an ALM Blakey?.......... Blakey has now gone ballistic and may well answer you when he returns to mother earth.
Do the RAF Loadmasters do any civillian accredited courses? Like Dangerous air cargo courses or are they trained in house?...... ABIW may well answer that when he gets back from Norway tonight.
What traing do Movements operators recieve on dangerous goods, and by whom?.....They are trained In House I believe at their very own training school. But I could be wrong.
Would it be better to put movers as loadmasters on RAF aircraft if they load it and do the paperwork?..............Oh dear. I don't think we want to open up that can of worms.
Were you an ALM Blakey?.......... Blakey has now gone ballistic and may well answer you when he returns to mother earth.
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Hello again. How do you know abiw is in Norway? Do you know him? Sorry if my questions seem a little intrusive but I am just trying to get things straight in my head before i commit to a career in the RAF. Why do you think it would open a can of worms about using Movements operators on RAF Aircraft. Are they not better trained in doing loading type stuff and moving freight around the world or is it because ALM's are employed on helicopters and Search and rescue aswell? Is it possible to become an Officer Movements operator? I see your profile says you are an ex muppet? Is that because you used to look like one of them and were called that by other people? Thankyou again.
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No I am not an ALM or AQM or WSOPs as they call them these days. I was in Movements and spent my life working in the UK and overseas selecting and preparing loads and putting them on and off a multitude of aircraft. I also spent many years flying in the back of frieghters travelling all round the world to pick up loads and deliver them worldwide. The RAF Loadmaster travels in the back with nus but leaves with the rest of the crew on arrival to work out his allowances for the night and menus for the morning!
ALMs do in-house DAC training. All Movers now do a CAA acredited Course in both handling and packing DAC and have to requalify every one or two years.
Putting Movers on aircraft as Loadies - Yes a bucket of worms, but a lot of Movers still go for Aircrew and normally do good at it.
I have several mates (ex-Movers) who still fly in the Civil world as Loadmasters and was asked if I was interested myself on finishing with RAF at 55 but am too used to home comforts now and don't fancy the hike to the Airports from the West Country.
No I am not an ALM or AQM or WSOPs as they call them these days. I was in Movements and spent my life working in the UK and overseas selecting and preparing loads and putting them on and off a multitude of aircraft. I also spent many years flying in the back of frieghters travelling all round the world to pick up loads and deliver them worldwide. The RAF Loadmaster travels in the back with nus but leaves with the rest of the crew on arrival to work out his allowances for the night and menus for the morning!
ALMs do in-house DAC training. All Movers now do a CAA acredited Course in both handling and packing DAC and have to requalify every one or two years.
Putting Movers on aircraft as Loadies - Yes a bucket of worms, but a lot of Movers still go for Aircrew and normally do good at it.
I have several mates (ex-Movers) who still fly in the Civil world as Loadmasters and was asked if I was interested myself on finishing with RAF at 55 but am too used to home comforts now and don't fancy the hike to the Airports from the West Country.