Has the ISK Staish Lost the Plot?
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Is this still the same staish (at ISK) who has been systematically destroying his peoples morale and will to live for his entire time in charge?
If so then I hear the winge about hats and yes, it could be construed as petty (although I always wore mine from ops to the bus and on it as well) but this could just be a manifestation of frustration from a whole load of other stuff that has been happening up there...
Maritime...its not often you hear the word 'thin' around this part of the RAF but I've heard it is about as undermanned, certainly from the techie angle, as it can be with more PVR'ing and taking their golden ticket in the coming months...
If so then I hear the winge about hats and yes, it could be construed as petty (although I always wore mine from ops to the bus and on it as well) but this could just be a manifestation of frustration from a whole load of other stuff that has been happening up there...
Maritime...its not often you hear the word 'thin' around this part of the RAF but I've heard it is about as undermanned, certainly from the techie angle, as it can be with more PVR'ing and taking their golden ticket in the coming months...
Originally Posted by ProfessionalStudent
The other day, at a top secret base in southern Iraq, I had to get some crews fromthe mess tent pronto, as we had some troops under contact and we had to launch the fleet. The only way to get hold of them (comms are no the best here) was to "race" down in the company LR.
As I parked outside the mess tent, I was stopped in my tracks by the SWO.
"Just a moment, Sir. Can I have a word"
"Not really. I have troops under contact. In a bit of a rush"
"It won't take long sir. Firstly, you weren't wearing your head-dress in the vehicle, secondly, the speed with which you drove throught the gate was reckless and finally, you didn't reverse into your car parking space"
"Was there anything else?"
"I know you're in a hurry, sir, but there's an example to be set you know"
"Like not letting bullsh!t like this get in the way of Ops and people dying", said my internal monologue.
Now THAT'S petty and losing the plot. Blunt TW
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Ooh I hate them. I really really do. Glad to see we're not losing our operational focus.
As I parked outside the mess tent, I was stopped in my tracks by the SWO.
"Just a moment, Sir. Can I have a word"
"Not really. I have troops under contact. In a bit of a rush"
"It won't take long sir. Firstly, you weren't wearing your head-dress in the vehicle, secondly, the speed with which you drove throught the gate was reckless and finally, you didn't reverse into your car parking space"
"Was there anything else?"
"I know you're in a hurry, sir, but there's an example to be set you know"
"Like not letting bullsh!t like this get in the way of Ops and people dying", said my internal monologue.
Now THAT'S petty and losing the plot. Blunt TW
TOoh I hate them. I really really do. Glad to see we're not losing our operational focus.
I can't believe that, no matter how operational the location, you always find jobsworth t***s like that.
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Originally Posted by Jobza Guddun
What a shame you didn't give him a smack in the mouth on the way past. I guess that's why I'd never succeed as an officer!
I can't believe that, no matter how operational the location, you always find jobsworth t***s like that.
I can't believe that, no matter how operational the location, you always find jobsworth t***s like that.
It says something when some of us were glad to go up to Balad or Al Amara to get away from the 'hats and desert shirts on in vehicles no matter what' type bullsh!t. Oh and don't forget to carry your BA and helmet everywhere with you, unless you are off out for a run of course because rockets and mortars won't hit a running person.
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After our Batting Service was stealthily removed by 'new age' Mess Managers, and replaced by U/S kettles, stale tea bags, out of date UHT milk pots and early calls which never happened, I came to the conclusion that the Mess was run for the benefit of the staff and not the Members. This was followed by H&S and the Food Act which they supported with glee! No more access to the side kitchen for a late night marmite and dripping sarnie, and more better, no free 'survivor party's' following the Summer Ball
One particular year I enquired why no Survivor Party
"Sorry Sir, all the food was thrown out - Food Act you know"
"Yes I know that Flight, but we have checked all the bins and skips and there's no trace of it, and surely. your industrial fridges must be capable of storing 6 whole dressed salmon, 3 sides of beef, a suckling pig, plus 4 legs of ham for 24 hrs - not to mention all the cheeses and deserts?
"You would need to talk the Chef Sir"
"I think I'd best talk to the PMC and chief plod first"
Funny old thing - it all re-appeared on Sat afternoon in time for Survivors
Sadly, after that, I only used the Mess to collect my Mess Bill, which was usually left in a big pile at reception - providing it was manned - for my remaining 5 years prior to leaving
Love many, Trust a few, Always paddle your own canoe
After our Batting Service was stealthily removed by 'new age' Mess Managers, and replaced by U/S kettles, stale tea bags, out of date UHT milk pots and early calls which never happened, I came to the conclusion that the Mess was run for the benefit of the staff and not the Members. This was followed by H&S and the Food Act which they supported with glee! No more access to the side kitchen for a late night marmite and dripping sarnie, and more better, no free 'survivor party's' following the Summer Ball
One particular year I enquired why no Survivor Party
"Sorry Sir, all the food was thrown out - Food Act you know"
"Yes I know that Flight, but we have checked all the bins and skips and there's no trace of it, and surely. your industrial fridges must be capable of storing 6 whole dressed salmon, 3 sides of beef, a suckling pig, plus 4 legs of ham for 24 hrs - not to mention all the cheeses and deserts?
"You would need to talk the Chef Sir"
"I think I'd best talk to the PMC and chief plod first"
Funny old thing - it all re-appeared on Sat afternoon in time for Survivors
Sadly, after that, I only used the Mess to collect my Mess Bill, which was usually left in a big pile at reception - providing it was manned - for my remaining 5 years prior to leaving
Love many, Trust a few, Always paddle your own canoe
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Buoy 15, you forgot they also put the bed in the middle of the room so it was easier to make up rather than a corner which gave more room.
Suspicion breeds confidence
Getting back to the point. If your station CO orders you to wear hats in the shower, then those are your orders and that is what you do.
Who said the military chain of command had to be rational?
Who said the military chain of command had to be rational?
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Originally Posted by Navaleye
Getting back to the point. If your station CO orders you to wear hats in the shower, then those are your orders and that is what you do.
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Anyone seen the McDaily Mail today?
1 page on drunken high-junks at ISK with 5 hospitalisations through alcohol consumption....sounds like a quiet night....
Usual journo lies?!?
1 page on drunken high-junks at ISK with 5 hospitalisations through alcohol consumption....sounds like a quiet night....
Usual journo lies?!?
I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
Originally Posted by Navaleye
Getting back to the point. If your station CO orders you to wear hats in the shower, then those are your orders and that is what you do.
Who said the military chain of command had to be rational?
Who said the military chain of command had to be rational?
He rose to 2-star and the stn cdr to CDS.
Obedience to orders might be essential with brusiers inbound but hats in the shower? No.
Rather than have to order me to get a new hat (actually, I already had a spare 'cere' one for parades, weddings and bollocking safely tucked away), the sqn boss took a simpler course of action.
He fed it to a chum's labrador....
"Of course, (BEags), you can now claim off your kit insurance - hat eaten by dog"
Hmm..........
He fed it to a chum's labrador....
"Of course, (BEags), you can now claim off your kit insurance - hat eaten by dog"
Hmm..........
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Hey BEags
.. wasn't you in the famous story of the aircrew mate and the tatty hat on parade was it??
Staish: For ****'s Sake Bloggs, your appearance is appalling! Is that your only hat??
Bloggs: Nosir!! . . . [long pause] ... it's my best hat!
(actually, I already had a spare 'cere' one for parades, weddings and bollocking safely tucked away)
Staish: For ****'s Sake Bloggs, your appearance is appalling! Is that your only hat??
Bloggs: Nosir!! . . . [long pause] ... it's my best hat!
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I agree with an earlier message that this staish has caused low morale and that the hat thing is just a way of someone venting their frustration at many petty decisions.
No he hasn't 'lost the plot' as he never had one.
Yes, it's his train set, but it's paid for by the tax payer and they have every right to expectations from this person. The petty things should be left to others.
As for the drunken hi-jinks of Friday night's International Hangar Party to mark the end of this year's Fincastle; I left as the ambulances were arriving. It wasn't difficult for any sensible person to see how things were going from early in the evening. The amount of free alchohol was, quite frankly, ridiculous. Offering drinks to young men and women that amounted to an eigth of a bottle of Vodka or Rum over ice-cream with a dash of coke was just asking for trouble.
I watched these drinks being poured right in front of the staish. I know we should all be adults and be responsible for our own consumption, but I really do think that he should have noticed what was happening and found some way of slwoing things down.
I hope no-one was badly hurt.
No he hasn't 'lost the plot' as he never had one.
Yes, it's his train set, but it's paid for by the tax payer and they have every right to expectations from this person. The petty things should be left to others.
As for the drunken hi-jinks of Friday night's International Hangar Party to mark the end of this year's Fincastle; I left as the ambulances were arriving. It wasn't difficult for any sensible person to see how things were going from early in the evening. The amount of free alchohol was, quite frankly, ridiculous. Offering drinks to young men and women that amounted to an eigth of a bottle of Vodka or Rum over ice-cream with a dash of coke was just asking for trouble.
I watched these drinks being poured right in front of the staish. I know we should all be adults and be responsible for our own consumption, but I really do think that he should have noticed what was happening and found some way of slwoing things down.
I hope no-one was badly hurt.
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I wasn't suggesting that the drinks were stopped, just reduced to a senisible level. Two of those drinks would have floored an elephant.
5 people were taken to hospital.
The rescue services reported total chaos with many people lying about unconcious. The local hospital ran out of ambulances and SAR helicopters had to be used as Air Ambulances.
It's all very well everyone having a good time and getting drunk but this was ridiculous and it was obvious that the Rate and amount of alcohol being given at any one time was, stupidly, too much. If the amount had been reduced then the youngsters could, possibly have handled it.
Someone in authority should have done something. The P & J report that there is an investigation under way.........well we all know how that one will disappear. It also reports that there will be disiplinary action...against whom? Those that did it, or those that allowed it to happen. We all know the answer to that one as well.
5 people were taken to hospital.
The rescue services reported total chaos with many people lying about unconcious. The local hospital ran out of ambulances and SAR helicopters had to be used as Air Ambulances.
It's all very well everyone having a good time and getting drunk but this was ridiculous and it was obvious that the Rate and amount of alcohol being given at any one time was, stupidly, too much. If the amount had been reduced then the youngsters could, possibly have handled it.
Someone in authority should have done something. The P & J report that there is an investigation under way.........well we all know how that one will disappear. It also reports that there will be disiplinary action...against whom? Those that did it, or those that allowed it to happen. We all know the answer to that one as well.
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Originally Posted by PAMCC
Someone in authority should have done something.
A well used phrase there, why can you be the person to do something? If you feel strongly enough about it.
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I'm with you wotta dump, the current staish needs to get a grip morale is so loww at ISK due to him flapping round the station. Even on IOT you were allowed to take off your hat on a bus, what a joke he is. Pity he didn't keep his self made title of Kinloss Force Cmdr (KFC), oh thats right he was told to wind his neck in by the AOC.
Mind you with the return of the old OC42(R)
the whole station will be made to wear blues, you will probalbly have to change into your flying kit down the back of the aircraft and march to the a/c and back again.
Here endeth the rant!
Mind you with the return of the old OC42(R)
the whole station will be made to wear blues, you will probalbly have to change into your flying kit down the back of the aircraft and march to the a/c and back again.Here endeth the rant!
What a pity ISK appears, from the small straw poll on here, to have gone to the dogs. Do not have a problem with officers wearing hats when told, (standards Sir) but in the 12 years i was there the changes to the RAF that seemed to plague other stations, was always bravely batted away by those in charge of the ISK flying club.
Mind you if the Staish is the man advertised on the official Kinloss website then he was IMHO a plonker of the highest order as a Sqn Ldr.
Now the other man running one of the Sqns at ISK, top bloke. He would probably insist on wearing your hats backwards if it was dark!!
Mind you if the Staish is the man advertised on the official Kinloss website then he was IMHO a plonker of the highest order as a Sqn Ldr.
Now the other man running one of the Sqns at ISK, top bloke. He would probably insist on wearing your hats backwards if it was dark!!